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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24657192

Summary

In a virtual speech at the World Economic Forum, Trump suggested Canada could become a U.S. state to avoid his proposed tariffs on imports.

The remark elicited gasps from the audience.

Trump claimed the U.S. does not need Canadian lumber, energy, or vehicles, vastly overstating the trade deficit between the two nations.

He reiterated his intention to impose tariffs, potentially as high as 25%, on imports from Canada and Mexico starting February 1.

Economists warn such tariffs would raise prices for U.S. consumers.

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[–] sircac@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Why people keep listening to what that being says? Just respond to his actions, anthing else is useless...

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 43 minutes ago

I somewhat agree with your point but after years of him saying he would do fucked up shit and then him doing a lot of it, it helps to be prepared for his intentions as they manifest into actions in many cases.

[–] lorty@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 29 minutes ago

I personally think this is bravado to negotiate something more realistic, although if he really wanted to it's unlikely Canada would resist.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 19 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

There is no actual fentanyl or immigration basis for tariffs on Canada. Just submit to less representation than California, and help absorb large US debt with little in return for it.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago

There's no basis for tariffs on Mexico either.

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

What about the provinces within Canada? Are they gonna all merge to become one US megastate?

[–] Binette@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 hours ago

All I know is that Quebec would never allow that

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Finally, Hannah Montana!

[–] WilfordGrimley@linux.community 1 points 3 hours ago
[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 27 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Us citizens pay tariff this doesn't hurt Canadians. They should call bluff and say do 30%.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 2 points 15 minutes ago

It potentially reduces exports from Canada to the US, hurting our economy. Nobody wins

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 1 points 15 minutes ago

We have a lot of resources. Ya our shit will get more expensive, but he's gonna fuck his own country doing this. Canada will survive.

[–] refalo@programming.dev 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

My understanding is that tariffs in general can apply to both imports and exports, on either side.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 3 points 1 hour ago

Well according to wiki you are right. I was on ever taught tax on imports in school. Taxing exports only works of there is one possible vendor and if there is not then the competition will just has to charge slightly less while expanding production.

Imagine if China , EU, and or japan be like here is 10% discount. Or better yet Trade alliance among countries who Trump charges on exports would be hillarious.

[–] SneakyWeasel@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 hours ago

How about trump can suck my left nut. There, I said it.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

Canada’s economy is dependent on the US. Trump might actually pull this off.

Edit: More context since people are downvoting. Consider the following now picture yourself one of the greedy capitalists in Canada, which is a preferred outcome? Losing your wealth or losing Canadian sovereignty?

Just because I think it is likely doesn’t mean that I think it’s right. This is clearly wrong.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 hours ago

Canada's oligarchs like the fact that only Israel and US is allowed to compete with them, and elections are cheaper to buy. A single state makes them lose power. Population understands only negatives from US, and also would not vote for Trump.

Unfortunately for Canadians, they are still programmed to side with US over China and Russia, and that programming makes it a blasphemy to seek independence that would also protect them from the US. As long as Canada's position is to beg to restore its fully subservient colonial status, then the Trump extortion will continue.

One goal that Musk would have behind this is that it can destroy the big 3 automakers.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Canada is also America's largest trading partner.

America had $357 billion dollars worth of imports from Canada in 2023, if they introduce a 25% tarriff Americans will pay $446 billion instead because it's not like you'll get all that stuff anywhere else for cheaper since America is going to put tariffs on practically every other country they trade with apparently.

Corporations spend billions on the current infrastructure and trade routes and logistics, they will not uproot everything and go through the pains of firing everyone then moving to America and retraining because of a short term loss. American administrations are fickle, many of them will simply wait out the 4 years hoping it will return to normal then. If it doesn't then maybe they might consider it then but for the next 4 years Americans are going to be paying a shitload more for anything that's not made in America.

American businesses will also find it a lot more difficult to sell their products out of the country when those countries retaliate with tarriffs against them.

[–] benji@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 hours ago

Likely doesn’t mean inevitable. I am the pessimistic type, so there’s that. I hope that I am proven wrong.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 59 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (4 children)

As a Canadian, fuck you Trump. Canada will never be a US state. Not sorry.

[–] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 hour ago

It's bad enough being one of those states now, and I'm in one of the good ones.

[–] NeuronautML@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

As they say in Canada, they're not having Nunavut these hosers, eh ?

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 27 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

If it goes down I'm just gonna scoot up north and fight on your side for Canadian citizenship.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 minutes ago

I wonder how many would lol

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 18 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That's a really good idea! I'm about 5-8 hours from the Canadian boarder but I will not fight for a fascist country. I'll either join the other side or join a resistance here.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 12 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'm about 4 hrs from the border but could easily make that shorter in an emergency! Combat veteran as well.

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 7 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I'm a vet also. Never felt the need for a gun as a civilian, but November changed that for me.

[–] refalo@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Why did November change that for you? What has actually increased your need for a gun since then?

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 minutes ago

A tyrannical government?

Arm the proletariat?

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

I got a couple last summer because I knew it'd be a shitstorm regardless of who won.

[–] briongloid@aussie.zone 20 points 10 hours ago

The amount of Americans visiting Australia who assume people here would want to live in America instead given the option was astounding to me.

[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.ml 55 points 12 hours ago (20 children)

Trump seems to have the goal of destroying the US from all I can tell. Our economy and power are so dependent on our connections to the rest of the world and he is burning them all down. The US dollar gets replaced as the fiat currency we are wholly fucked and this dumb shit is how that happens.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 hours ago
[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 hours ago

And the last gasp of our conservatives as the final pillar of the whitehouse collapses into a flaming wreck due to Trumps ridiculous toddler-like mismanagement of everything will be to blame it all on the Democrats.

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[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 34 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (18 children)

rip you guys are gonna get couped
imperialism is manifesting itself in the imperial core

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 hours ago

rip you guys are gonna get couped

Seems to me we got couped. It was just mostly domestically bloodless. So far.

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