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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 69 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I'm already not buying it. I have a rule. I'll pay full price for a full price game. That's fine. That's fair. I pay full price, I get full game.

I will also play free to play games that charge small amounts of money to play. That's fair. The game was free, and I am enjoying it. That's fair.

My rule comes into place that I will NOT buy a game that I then need to continually pay for.

GTA 5 has already shifted priority to their online portion of the game. But there's still a solid single player game. But online has CLEARLY been the priority post launch, with no updates or dlc to the offline campaign since release.

Compare this to constant updates and dlc for the online campaign. But there's a catch. GTA states that GTA Online is a seperate game/experience. However, in order to play GTA Online, you need to buy GTA 5. On PS5, I believe the standard non-sale price is STILL $59.99. Keep in mind, this is an upscaled graphics PS3 game that came out in 2013.

So in order to play GTA Online, you gotta pay $59.99, but once you do you're IMMEDIATELY at a disadvantage. Not the fact that you're level 0, but the fact that even if you level up your player, other players are constantly using shark cards. Which are in-game currency that you don't unlock. You buy them. With real world money. Already paid $59.99, but let me just pay another $19.99. Not to win, but rather to not fall behind.

Because if I pay $19.99, and you pay $19.99, we're both on even footing, and we're both out $19.99. However if I pay $19.99, and you don't, I then have an advantage before you even turn your console on.

And rockstar has openly stated that GTA 6 will heavily lean into this EVEN HARDER. It's now a core component of online play, which again, is their main concern with this game.

They'll throw in a single player campaign, but it's just scraps off the bone. The real meat of the game is online. Which again, is pay to stay competitive. After you've already bought the game.

Nooooooooope. From my perspective the only way to win, is to not buy/play at all. This coming from a 41 year old who played the ps1 GTA games as a teenager. So it's not like GTA just isn'tmy thing.

I want to like GTA 6. But rockstar is just giving me the middle finger. So in return I will give back the middle finger.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago

I hate that rockstar has effectively turned a beloved series into a fucking live service game.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

They wanna play with your emotions. It takes years to sink in. Some people never get it.

[–] Gamoc@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Whilst I agree that GTA Online can die in a fire, then have it's remains unfortunately caught up in a series of fires for an eternity, I think GTA online is available separate from GTAV.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Please show me a $0 or greatly reduced priced download link from GTA:O

Meanwhile 14-year-olds are salivating for this game, who will then steal mom's credit card for shark cards. I'm convinced teenagers are the target audience for GTA games.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

I don't care.

People that want to spend that much on a game can, and I can wait until it's the right price for me (£12-20). I'm patient enough, there's plenty of good games in the meantime.

Bonus: it'll probably run like butter on a Steam Deck ~~3~~ 2: Episode 1 😉

I just hope they don't push that shitty rockstar login/launcher crap anymore, and I hope the bullshit online stuff is kept well away from the single player game.

[–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 14 points 5 days ago

oh there absolutely will be a launcher. all of their games since iv require login.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I just hope they don't push that shitty rockstar login/launcher crap anymore

I am done buying trash...

[–] bruhsoulz@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 days ago

Literally can't play my legitimate gta5 epic games copy on Linux so I had to pirate it.. Pirate a game that I own...

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Agreed. I just don't buy anything with launchers. All my friends say RDR2 is an incredible game, and I believe them.

But I've had enough ballaches with Far Cry 3, Civ VI, and GTA:V that I'm out. I've accepted I won't play that game. No more launchers.

Annoyingly, they now often add them months or years after the game releases, so you often don't even get a choice (cough GTA:V cough).

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

2k removed theirs on civ6 and no launcher on civ7

I wonder why but I will take it

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Really? That's great news

I'll have a go of Civ6 again and pick up Civ7 plus all the DLC in 5 years when it's £4 lol

[–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago

Just pirate rdr2 if you really wanna play it.

[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You're robbing yourself of an excellent experience. Like, I get how annoying that shit is but RDR2 is one of the best games I've ever played. Still go back to it on occasion.

The world is so well crafted and believable and beautiful honestly there's not many games that get me to just stop and stare at the scenery but RDR2 has that effect on you.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I know I'm missing out, big time. Everything I hear about it is good, and supposedly attention to detail is incredible. But launchers annoy me to an almost unbelievable extent.

GTA:V is also pretty great and I was really into it. When they added a launcher I opened the game, saw the new launcher/login requirement, pressed X, and never opened GTA:V again. To this day I've still not completed it, and I never will unless I find out the launcher has been removed.

Maybe I have some weird mental quirk, but for whatever reason, when I see stuff like launchers, I completely disengage. It becomes impossible for me to enjoy the content.

I'm the same with ads. On TV, I refuse to watch anything unless it's on a BBC channel (no ads in the UK). If I'm at the cinema, I will literally stand outside the screening room for 30 minutes staring at the ceiling or counting stains on the carpet until they're done. My partner even messages me when the film is about to begin, then I head inside lol.

I'd genuinely be more likely to buy a PlayStation, buy RDR2, then sell them both for a loss when I'm done than go through their PC launcher.

I realise it's not normal and I sound like a right weirdo. There's clearly something... odd with me in that regard, but I can't really shake it off. It's compulsive.

Besides, I already have so many other games that I need to play, so it's not like I'm stuck without anything to do.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Honestly, it's not crazy to me. I am not as rigid about those things but I avoid them pretty hard in my own way. I don't buy stuff with a launcher either. Likewise haven't played rdr2. I block every ad I can. I don't pay for streaming unless it is completely ad free and don't habe any regular tv services. If ads are at a theater (i usually only go to ones that just don't play ads) I won't wait outside (gotta get my good seat), but I will ignore them and dick around on my phone till they stop.

[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

You gotta be true to yourself but a couple extra minutes, if even, to boot the game because of a launcher that's integrated into steam isn't that much of a biggie.

Shit after you launch if the first time I'm pretty sure you can skip the launcher popping up, may have to use a command line argument in steam not sure but it makes it so the launcher is basically non-existent at that point.

Anyways I don't need to convince you, fine stranger, but I really would be remiss to not at least push another person to play one of my favorite games of all time.

[–] Piatro@programming.dev 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ok hear me out. I'm a book author, I write a book and try to sell it for £100 while all my peers are selling books at 60 or 70. I spend the most money imaginable making my book. It's quite possibly the largest book in existence thanks to the effort of me and 5000 other people. I lie awake at night worrying that we'll never make back the money we've spent on it.

Wait what's this? Some team of less than 10 people has written a 3-page book and sold it for 2.50? And people are... Buying it?! But why? Look at the size of my book, clearly it must be better because it's so big, so fancy, so expensive! Every letter cost me millions! I read the 3-page book. It doesn't have money dropping from each letter like mine. It has a beginning, middle and end but mine has 500 acts each more expensive than the last. Surely it's not that good... It's pretty great actually. I have learned nothing from this experience, even though it's happened a hundred times. I will still make more money than entire countries, somehow.

[–] Syd@lemm.ee 10 points 5 days ago

I'm not an expert here but I've read your story. I think you should try writing simpler, well thought out books.

Congratulations on your success though!

[–] mPony@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

I guess gamers really are walking dollar signs, according to all these folks.

[–] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I'll put it on my steam wishlist and buy it when it's $20 or less.

I'm still waiting for Elden Ring and BG3, there's plenty of games to be played, I don't need to get it day one.

I also get the advantage of not buying a buggy game that's half finished. It'll be cheaper and better if I wait, often with a bunch of the extra paid DLC included.

[–] kippinitreal@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I seriously doubt there'll be meaningful DLC and that the story will be long/entertaining. See the critically acclaimed RDR2,has no big DLC. I doubt it'll ever come down to $20

I suspect it'll be a vehicle to push GTA Online 6 or whatever. Even with that, it'll still be $100. I also doubt it'll come to steam till 5 years down the line. These are usual Rockstar & 2K shenanigans.

Not being cynical, being (relatively) realistic. Rockstar has a track record of demanding exorbitant prices & fans paying them.

[–] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't HAVE to play the game. If they don't price it in a way that I'll buy it, then I just won't buy it.

I've never bought a lot of games, heck I don't buy MOST games. I buy games that I'm interested in, when they're priced in a way that seems reasonable to me. There's plenty of companies (and individuals) out there who are selling me what I want, for the price I would pay for them.

[–] kippinitreal@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Most consumers aren't reasonable consumers like you though. Peer pressure & curiosity is one helluva draw.

[–] IronJess@lemmy.today 16 points 5 days ago (3 children)

At that point people should refuse to buy it until it hits 70 or 60. They are going recouperate their investment unless the game is trash.

[–] donuts@lemmy.world 35 points 5 days ago

Good luck trying to convince gamers not to buy a (insanely marketed) game. Remember MW2?

[–] quixotic120@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Rockstar are scumbags

Never drop prices, their sales are minimal unless the game is ancient, and they do digital only now

Plus the whole “remaster a game by turning up the resolution and frame rate then charging you 50 dollars” nonsense. In my day we called that a “settings menu option”

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago

It would have been considerably better if that was all they had done. Preferable even, compared to what we ended up with.

The GTA remasters are shit because they tried to actually remaster them, the contracted company wasn't given enough time, they sold like hotcakes anyway, so Rockstar kicked the remaster devs to the curb because they got the money they wanted anyway.

At least the RDR port was just a port.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Fuck that, <$20-30 or nothing. I'm not playing online, so I'm not wasting most of the cost of the game to be ignored by the dev. Fuck rockstar for turning gta5 into a live service game and entirely ignoring the single player experience.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 days ago
[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

By the time I care it'll be ten bucks or given away for free like 5. I'm not into GTA online so the single player experience will only improve over time.

I'm getting to a point I'd describe my enthusiasm for big games as "yAAAwn."

[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)
[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It’s surprising that games are getting cheaper compared to the cost of living. If you take into consideration the fact that games are becoming more expensive to produce, I really don’t understand it.

Gaming is way cheaper for me than it was during the ps2 or ps3 era.

Still, I don’t want games to become more and more ambitious and cost more and more. So, if I get GTA6, it’s gonna be at a reasonable price, maybe even second hand since I don’t need to directly support Rockstar.

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago

Less physical media, devices, real tangible products and assets. More online intangible products, assets. You can decide if it's good or bad. I think it's one thing that'll change manufacturing and global resource issues long long term for the better less single use BS. But also it will if not regulated allow even more ultra wealthy individuals to multiply their wealth. Furthering the divide. First comes the shit end of the spectrum then eventually the good follows after the shit product era.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 4 points 5 days ago