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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/37218429

When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take: https://archive.ph/quYyb

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[–] ChicagoTransplant@midwest.social 149 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The initial post could just be chalked up to naivety if we're feeling charitable, but using the official proton accounts for this stuff is an extremely bad move. Then half-assedly retracting it without acknowledging he posted it, doubling down, and making every classic PR mistake. Aside from potential capitulation to a regime that clearly values power more than human rights, there's significant risk from a person with such bad judgement having apparently no safeguards or second opinions when he's posting. What other decisions is he unilaterally making for proton that aren't publicly known?

[–] db2@lemmy.world 72 points 1 week ago

He's another mini Elon wannabe, obviously. They're coming out of the woodwork lately.

I hope people are taking notes so these scum don't get to skate later when it falls down around their ears.

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is basically my thinking and why I will be shifting away from their products as well

[–] letsgo2themall@lemmy.world 104 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Cancelled my years long subscription today. Any company that bows down to tRump should be avoided. Vote with your wallet.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 week ago

I did the same! No more proton unlimited! It is better to use products from multiple companies instead of one.

[–] Typhoonigator@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Who did you switch to? I'm looking to leave proton too with all this.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Typhoonigator@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Have you used these 3 before (or currently)?

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

I've used bitwarden and mulvad for years. Recommend both without hesitation.

[–] Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I've been using Tuta since 2016, on paid plan since 2019.

Outside a single longer outage early on I had nothing but good experience with their service. Granted, I only care about email and calendar (the only two products they have at the moment) but both work without any issues.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

I heard they’re good and I have just recently created accounts for them.

[–] OpossumOnKeyboard@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I use that exact stack. Bitwarden for 3 years Mullvad and Tuta for one. Can’t speak to their ethics or anything I wouldn’t know. But the quality of service has been great for me at least

[–] myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also curious. I left Mullvad because they stopped supporting port forwarding. Proton seemed like the best second option privacy/feature/price wise at the time. IVPN was touted highly around that time, but it appears they have also phased out port forwarding

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I believe AirVPN is the last respected VPN that allows port forwarding.

[–] myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website 3 points 1 week ago

I have also come across Windscribe, which seems reasonably well respected. Sadly, they make you pay extra for a static IP and port forwarding.

AirVPN has a lot of people complaining about connection speed.

Options are drying up 😢

[–] letsgo2themall@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

for mail, posteo. For drive, calendar, contacts, passwords, I'm working on setting up nextcloud but it's not ready yet. I still have a few months before I'm downgraded. for VPN, I'm still looking for alternatives.

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[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 78 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The post was deleted and they are in cleanup mode. Best thing we can do is post this everywhere and demand a public apology and the firing of Andy Yen.

Otherwise end your subscriptions!

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

What is the Streisand effect?

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 11 points 1 week ago

We can demand his firing but unfortunately he's one of three founders, he's unlikely to be fired. But I hope it's a wakeup call to them that they should have a policy of keeping their mouth shut on politics, including all board members.

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 69 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Grrrreat... Can anyone please suggest an alternative? I've switched to Proton trying to de-Google...

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 63 points 1 week ago (5 children)

For Email: Posteo, Tutanota, Disroot

For VPN: Mullvad, AirVPN, IVPN

For password manager: Keypassxc, Bitwarden

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Thank you kindly!

[–] weLookAbove@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What do you suggest for cloud storage?

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 week ago

I don't have a lot of experience with cloud storage, but Filen.io appears to have a good reputation. They offer a lifetime license as well in 100gb chunks (under starter packs), which is interesting, especially if your storage size needs aren't great.

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[–] nieminen@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've been looking at fastmail and tuta

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Thank you for the recs, will add them to the list! Maybe it's time to go from one to many...

[–] JoshuaBrusque@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Damnit, same thing here.

[–] shiftymccool@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I switched to PurelyMail and haven't had any problems. Just mail with no marketing or other bullshit

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 68 points 1 week ago

Guy who sells VPNs really supportive of political party that blocks parts of the internet regionally

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago

This comment right here absolutely nails it.

The Republicans have installed a Supreme Court that guts antitrust at every step, and Andy gives them a pass. Anyone that's that bloody oblivious of how the GOP have spent 25 years trying to remove consumer protections at every turn shouldn't be managing a popsicle stand, let alone an email service so many rely on to be private.

What a redundant muffin.

[–] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It seems obvious to me now.

Many US states are now requiring age verification for adult sites. VPN companies will benefit if that requirement expands. The Republican party's pearl-clutching politics are what can make that happen.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Reminds me of the time the CEO of grindr said he opposed gay marriage.

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[–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago

Believing in any way that Republicans are helping out the little guy or against big business is so ridiculous I have to believe this is willful ignorance to cover up the fact that a lot more people will need VPNs with all the porn bans and other privacy nightmares the right will pass the next few years.

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 week ago

When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take:

That makes it seem like Andy here just doubled down, but it's way worse than that. The company released an official statement doubling down on Yen's stance.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is bewildering. What a shame.

I had minor gripes with some of their services but Proton has broadly been pretty great in my eyes.

Some CEOs baffle me. Surely, even if they are massive fans of one US political party over the other, they'd have the sense to keep it to themselves to prevent it becoming a thing that causes a fallout with existing/potential customers? But no. They're too fucking narcissistic for that, and they think everyone wants to hear their opinions and follow them.

[–] jrs100000@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Most of the companies/ceos doing this over the past few weeks do know better. That's why they didnt say anything earlier. The reason they would be publicly taking this stance now is that they either expect to be rewarded by the incoming administration, or they hope to avoid punitive retaliation.

[–] Hellmo_Luciferrari@lemm.ee 30 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Cancelled my subscription today. I will be finding an alternative.

[–] ThePrivacyPolicy@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I had just signed up a few nights ago to try it out before subscribing, it's an easy cancel at this point and is being done momentarily.

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[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So we're keeping Lina Kahn, right? RIGHT?

[–] R3D4CT3D@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago

im definitely gonna miss her.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Thank you for using a less charged title in the cross-post. It's concerning stuff coming from the Proton CEO and Andy Yen using the official account to amplify it. However, I disagreed with it being characterized as "Full MAGA".

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

Canceled my sub last night, ported everything to Tuta today. No issues this far.

Super disappointing, but is what it is and I'll move on.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Anyone notice Trump clearly didn't write that, because it's clearly written? Remember how bugfuck he was getting over the last year and how we rarely see that anymore?

Just how bugfuck is he now and who's controlling him?

[–] lung@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

The most interesting part of this take is that JD Vance is very much in the big tech friends circle with Thiel and Musk. But I'm sure they can run some antitrust against their enemies at Google or whatever

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Me being too lazy and putting off switching to Proton has paid off!

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Support business policies of a group that removes oversight, accountability, responsibility, and makes it so he keeps more money.

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[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a shame I have a year subscription to them. I'll be cancelling and moving the second it runs outs.

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Wow, I was considering switching to that from Mailfence but maybe not. Maybe I will look at the other options or sit still to see what happens over the next 30 days.

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