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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.


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Vegans being banned and comments being deleted from !vegan@lemmy.world for being fake vegans.

From my perspective, the comments were in no way insulting and just part of completely normal interaction. If this decision reflects the general opinion of the mod team, then from my perspective, the biggest vegan community on Lemmy wants to be an elitist cycle of hardcore vegans only, not allowing any slightly different opinion. Which would be very unfortunate.

PS: In contrast to the name of this community, I don't want to insult anyone here being a 'bastard'. I just want to post this somewhere on neutral ground. I would really appreciate an open discussion without bashing anyone.

PPS: Some instances or clients seem to compress the screenshots in a way they're unreadable. Find the full resolution here: https://imgur.com/a/8XdexTm

Linking the affected users and mods: @Cypher@lemmy.world @gaael@lemmy.world @gredo@lemmy.world @iiGxC@slrpnk.net @veganpizza69@lemmy.world @veganpizza69@lemmy.vg @jerkface@lemmy.ca @TheTechnician27@lemmy.world @Sunshine@lemmy.ca @Aqua@lemmy.vg

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[–] Nuerion@lemmy.world 50 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] misterdoctor@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Here I am fully ready to deep dive into some drama from a community I have zero investment in and it’s impossible to read 😩

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 11 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Your instance seems to be serving you up a thumbnail of the image instead of the actual image. I recommend temporarily looking at the post from another instance, such as mine.

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[–] gaael@lemmy.world 38 points 4 weeks ago (67 children)

Lol found out here that I had been banned from the community. Ty for sharing the information :)

Regarding the matter, I understand their reaction.
I've been interacting with some vegan circles IRL and some are more "hardcore" (not in a negative way) than others. When you consider animal exploitation as mass slavery, mass torture and mass murder, it becomes increasingly difficult to tolerate even light deviations from the all-vegan path.

This being said, I would have preferred they had a better wording for the temp ban reason than "fake vegan" by which I feel insulted and hurt.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 40 points 4 weeks ago (26 children)

The "all or nothing" crowd really knows how to stomp on progress, huh?

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 19 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

It's like they don't realize that by being this hostile towards any other viewpoints, they drive away people who might otherwise be interested in becoming vegan or want to learn more. All it does is harm the community in the long run, and then they wonder why there's a stigma around vegans. That stigma then feeds into a persecution complex and that becomes a nasty vicious cycle.

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[–] AngryishHumanoid@reddthat.com 22 points 4 weeks ago

Not a lot of 100% vegan grocery stores, where do they get their food?

[–] quirzle@lemmy.zip 20 points 4 weeks ago

(not in a negative way)

Debatable.

One of my best friends is a long-term vegan. He generally avoids telling people because he so strongly hates being lumped in with this crowd of asshats.

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[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 36 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

Lol, I got my vegan card revoked (declared "a carnist") and handed my first fedi ban by the "Real Vegans™" too, for daring to call out their bullshit and ableist militant gatekeeping.

Good luck to them and the toxic cesspit they're so adamant on maintaining, the last thing anyone should be seeking is these people's approval, especially not on being a "good" or "real" vegan, since they make it crystal clear that their top priority is and always will be their own egos. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[–] threeduck@aussie.zone 33 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I (a vegan) got banned from there for finding the love of cows cloying. I said we shouldn't have to pretend cows are cute to convince others not to kill and eat them.

It really isn't a place for even back and forth amongst friends, "no conversation - only agreement"

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

cloying

adjective

excessively sweet, rich, or sentimental, especially to a disgusting or sickening degree

Neat, new word.

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[–] rbn@sopuli.xyz 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I think cows are adorable (in a positive manner :D) but yes, completely agree. Being a vegan shouldn't require that you passionately love being in contact with all kinds of species. I mean - despite them playing a role in the ecosystem - who loves ticks or mosquitoes?

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 4 weeks ago (12 children)

Generally very radical vegans also have a right to their own community, however I also think there should be spaces for less radical veganism as well. It seems that currently there's none of those available, or maybe the general hostility of social media against vegans makes any of their more tolerant spaces eventually close ranks to protect their sanity. Unfortunately vegan spaces are constantly brigaded by trolls so it's understandable they have a very short fuse, and a lot of people get caught in the cross-fire.

I think the only solution here would be for a new vegan community with a focus on debate with non-vegans. However it will be tricky to find the right moderators for it who either won't be non-vegans themselves and therefore support a flood of concern-trolls and bad faith arguments, or be vegans that won't get immediately burnt out.

[–] Arcanepotato@vegantheoryclub.org 17 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (7 children)

So, last time people were mad that vegans were mean to them this community got created:

https://lemmy.world/c/plantbased

Edit: I should finish my coffee before posting, the only post there literally points to this more active com lol: https://lemmy.world/c/plantbased@lemmy.dbzer0.com

See: https://lemmy.world/post/23634881

We all know r/vegan exists and is a cesspit of carnists, but there doesn't seem to be an actual demand for a 'plant based' space. I'm not sure why people would post about something they are kind of meh and not committed to?

If people are interested in just the food, there are communities for that:

I really don't think the rules there are onerous. Just don't talk about abusing animals and don't be a jerk to the other posters and you're good?

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Hey, I didn’t make plantbased to be a less committed version to veganism. I made it because from reddit to lemmy every vegan community I’ve encountered has power tripping toxic mods and I wanted to provide an alternative space.

I’m fully committed to my veganism. But I also wanted people who aren’t to be able to discuss it without being attacked.

After I wrote this I see you’re writing from a vegan instance. I have less experience with there versus vegan communities around here.

[–] fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

The hardcore/toxic crowd do nothing except alienate and turn people against the cause and make people think being vegan means being surrounded by assholes.

It’s people like you that welcome everyone into the discussion that inspire more people to try it out; you’re bringing about the real change.

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[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm not even a vegetarian but I am slowly trending y'all's direction. Finding good recipes or product recommendations is key to getting my family to come along with me.

I appreciate being, if not welcomed, at least quietly tolerated!

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I view that as a net positive :) trying to force people to change in one moment will never succeed.

You’re more than welcome! I view it as a space to learn and explore, not to be judged by what level vegan you are lol

The only thing I’ve moderated recently is people pushing meat in the community or being rude.

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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably? I don't know. It started with the same mod team, didn't it?

[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 14 points 4 weeks ago (30 children)

Vegan Theory Club is more radical and different in scope. It is definitely not a place to debate veganism. I let them come to my instance after some nonsense about lemmy.world and we're not federated with lemmy.world. Vegan Theory Club is social media for vegans specifically.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 28 points 4 weeks ago

Purity gatekeeping, and purity competitions, are the bane of any movement. Sorry that happened to you. FWIW I thought your comments were reasonable

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 21 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

This is super weird to me. Back on the Asian ass porn site known as Reddit I could just go into vegan subs and have casual conversations about recipes and cooking techniques. It didn’t matter that I eat meat.

After the API kerfuffle we all celebrated how friendly the internet can be and now you get preemptively banned because you COULD be a bad actor in disguise.

To a point I understand the frustration vegans have to live with. The constant childish trolling can be exhausting, but this is pretty much the worst way to handle this.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 14 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Every good cause has fundamentalist dickheads who try to coopt it and make it about them.

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[–] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 19 points 3 weeks ago

jesus christ. i don't think i've ever seen a longer sidebar as I scroll down to the modlog... not a good start...

and okay, so the mod is unhappy about a vegan restaurant turning to non-veganry to stay alive? to the point where they're silencing all discussion of it in a positive or even ambivalent light? This seems like there's more to it than the mod is willing to admit publicly. "the restaurant isn't vegan" doesn't account for "it's a shame but I'd rather an otherwise vegan restaurant survive than not. how sad" and "it seems like there just weren't enough vegans in town to keep it alive" being banned. it's clear ethics policing and again, im sensing some passive resentment on the mod's part.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Vegans biting each other 😉

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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 17 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (27 children)

Another day, another ~~diet~~ vegan/carnivore drama

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 12 points 4 weeks ago

fyi the normal diet people eat is omnivorous, not carnivorous.

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[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 16 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

The vegan Community is actually quite shit. They don't hesitate to delete your comment just because you aren't a vegan, even if you agree with them in certain points.

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[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 16 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

This is why plantbased was made recently

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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

PTB. vegans deserve better representation in their leaders than this i hope we can get an alternative community that can allow discussion without weird purity purges.

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Vegan restaurant

Adds meat to its menu

What

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 14 points 3 weeks ago

*Former Vegan Resturant

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 10 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Is Sunshine Beaver's alt? If so then yeah i could understand why this happen.

[–] rbn@sopuli.xyz 10 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

I don't know about this and I also don't know if she is the one who deleted the comments and triggered the bans. In general, I appreciate her content. She is posting lots of interesting articles (not only in the vegan community) and I guess Lemmy needs people like her providing content to debate about.

Just if debate is not desireable, then I don't think it makes sense to post it to a social platform. Social platforms without interaction and different opinions are just dead link lists. Then I can also just set up a RSS reader on the news sites I'd like to follow.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

I can't read that but yeah the Vegan community here has a long history of being total assholes.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I mean what level of vegan are you? Do you eat anything that casts a shadow?

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

Dang, an actual PTB!

Defining removing the comments was already borderline PTB, though one can argue that since vegans tend to insist on dealt strict policies in vegan C/s, that it is within bounds to remove comments and posts as needed to maintain their space.

But holy shit, the "you aren't a real vegan" went right off the rails. And then bans for it. That's not even crossing the line in this specific case, it's kicking the line and spitting on its grave.

Mind you, sometimes it's necessary to ban people that aren't an actual part of the specific group a forum/community is for. It is case specific whether or not someone is power tripping.

But this case is soooo far into power tripping it's almost a parody

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