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Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this.)

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[-] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

An update to my post about facebook from yesterday; turns out it's much worse:

https://transparency.meta.com/policies/community-standards/hateful-conduct/

[Do not post} Insults, including those about [...] Mental characteristics, including but not limited to allegations of stupidity, intellectual capacity, and mental illness, and unsupported comparisons between PC groups on the basis of inherent intellectual capacity. We do allow allegations of mental illness or abnormality when based on gender or sexual orientation, given political and religious discourse about transgenderism and homosexuality and common non-serious usage of words like “weird.”

You can see the full diff from last version if you click "Jan 8, 2025" and yeah it's a doozy.

Like many here on awful.systems I have a pretty thick skin, but reading the above put me in a really weird mood all day. I couldn't really concentrate on work. It's hard to believe that they published this with a straight face, and harder to believe that the media isn't dunking on them for it.

On the bright side the policy technically lets you go around calling people insane for being straight or cisgender* if anyone is still on there and wants to get banned from that platform in a blaze of glory.

* or indeed simply having a gender and I'm not sure fascists know how to use words right.

[-] self@awful.systems 16 points 2 weeks ago

Like many here on awful.systems I have a pretty thick skin, but reading the above put me in a really weird mood all day.

same here. the thing is, I think a lot of us are on awful.systems because we’ve seen far too much of how fascism operates and spreads online. this is an antifascist place; it’s so core to the mission that we don’t publish it as a policy (because a policy can be argued against and twisted and the fash kids love doing that), we just demonstrate it in a way that can’t be ignored. so seeing the first or second (I don’t keep track of these things) most popular social media platform publish a policy whose only purpose is to be used as a weapon against marginalized people, for it to be written in a matter-of-fact “this is just how it is” way, and for essentially nobody outside of the fediverse to push back on it in any real way — that is shocking.

[-] self@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago

Now the new language merely bans “unsupported comparisons” between protected groups’ on the basis of their “inherent intellectual capacity”

Im sure we all noticed that this is also exactly one of those things which was allowed in the Rationalist places. And one of the reasons that it took them forever to get rid of slurinnameO on the ssc subreddit.

[-] mii@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I've been around the internet a long time, and even back then when throwing slurs at each other and "making fun" of marginalized groups was, if not accepted, at least tolerated because it was considered some poor attempt at humor, I don't remember ever seeing a rule or passage in any netiquette stating it that explicitly.

It was always "we don't censor speech but don't be an asshole" with a giant asterisk about what both censoring and being an asshole meant, but I don't think I've ever seen even the worst places say, "we explicitly allow hate speech, go ahead".

Holy fucking shitballs.

[-] nightsky@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago

It is very disturbing and scary.

They're explicitly carving out an exception to target sexual/gender minorities. And I wonder, given how they are often among the first groups being targeted, and then other groups follow, how long until they add more exceptions? How long until Meta modifies the rules further to e.g. explicitly allow racism too?

Meta/Facebook has never been a good company. But the path they have actively chosen now is so much more evil than before.

See this is why I try to do my reading here at night, because now when I feel sad and angry for the rest of the day it's gonna be like 5 hours tops.

[-] saucerwizard@awful.systems 8 points 1 week ago

I’m pretty confident of a significant backlash against queer communities in North America in the near term.

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[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago

Thiel has fully lost it, and as I assume nobody around him has warned him about how crazy this ~~manifesto found after the shooting~~ oped in the ft makes him sound, so do the people around him.

[-] mii@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago

That reads like some bullshit you'd find on r/iamverysmart on Reddit.

Maybe side effects of all the substances he uses to become the Übermensch.

[-] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago

jesus christ

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 1 week ago

the amount of doublethink and newspeak this is attempting to push is remarkable

also afaik thiel isn't one to regularly demean himself to writing tidbits such as this, is he? I don't recall seeing nearly as many words from mr likes-it-private as I have from andreesen et al

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[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 week ago

for someone that runs a surveillance company he sure as fuck can't help yapping about his plans

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago

they're all just so fucking ...... smug

it appears they don't think anything can possibly go wrong

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[-] blakestacey@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago

[Fiction] [Comic] Effective Altruism and Rationality meet at a Secular Solstice afterparty

When the very first thing you say about a character is that they "have money in crypto", you may already be doing it wrong

[-] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago

wow i hate this so much

it's neat how the cartooning gets lazier and lazier as it goes though

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[-] fasterandworse@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago

Just want to share this great term & definition "hyperkludge" coined by Jonathan Korman (@miniver on bsky and masto) hyperkludge: a design which is not a good solution for much of anything, but is a tolerably bad solution for so many things that it proliferates until network effects help it beat out better designs

https://miniver.blogspot.com/2023/01/hyperkludge-n.html

[-] dgerard@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

ehh. even in the original text it rapidly decays into anything that annoys him is a hyperkludge. Successful things have problems that are only problems of success.

[-] blakestacey@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago

Saying that Excel is not and never was a good solution for any problem feels like a rather blinkered, programmer-brained technique.

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[-] bitofhope@awful.systems 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Examples off the top of my head:

  • Almost everything about TCP/IP stack
  • NETCONF
  • YAML
  • Most things related to cars and car infrastructure
  • Alcohol
  • Chiclet keyboards
  • Unicode Han unification
  • Layer 2 SDN
  • Kubernetes
  • JavaScript
  • Disk partitioning
  • UEFI
  • Public transit fares

Edit: checked the link and was surprised our lists didn't have any ones in common (though I considered including MS Excel).

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[-] blakestacey@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago

"The Publisher of the Journal "Nature" Is Emailing Authors of Scientific Papers, Offering to Sell Them AI Summaries of Their Own Work", by Maggie Harrison Dupré at Futurism:

Springer Nature, the stalwart publisher of scientific journals including the prestigious Nature as well as the nearly 200-year-old magazine Scientific American, is approaching the authors of papers in its journals with AI-generated "Media Kits" to summarize and promote their research.

In an email to journal authors obtained by Futurism, Springer told the scientists that its AI tool will "maximize the impact" of their research, saying the $49 package will return "high-quality" outputs for marketing and communication purposes. The publisher's sell for the package hinges on the argument that boiling down complex, jargon-laden research into digestible soundbites for press releases and social media copy can be difficult and time-consuming — making it, Springer asserts, a task worth automating.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 week ago

ah yeah exactly what i needed: a button that burns a square km of rainforest with every press, that might generate an abstract (that i've already wrote) but wrong, or fake press release that goes nowhere and also is wrong, while at the same time sending what might be restricted data fuck knows where with pinky promise that they won't blend it and force feed their imagined machine god

Earlier this week, for instance, the massive publishing body announced in a press release that it would be deploying a "new AI-driven tool" crafted to automate "editorial quality checks" and notify editors to "potentially unsuitable manuscripts". The announcement adds that manuscripts may be held back from peer review if the AI tool deems them editorially unfit.

watch this to be used as a bludgeon against ESL authors. oh noes poor country people, go somewhere else because Computer Says No. then they decrease acceptance rate on their website

A Guy in India (specialist) approach to detection of slop will still work, but it's not resistant to office politics of complaining that it's not web scale and such. i can't wait for collapse of this bubble

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

we regret to inform you that mullenweg is still posting through it

no matter how unhinged you may expect this to be on starting to read it, you're probably guessing low

[-] mii@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago

[The] SEO space, an industry known for making the web better.

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[-] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

SEOs match quality websites to those users trying to find them. As much as Google and Bing like to pretend that they're perfect there are very real indexing issues that crop up and need experts to debug, mitigate, and prevent; so in a very real way the SEOs do make the web better for users.

[comment continues below the ad]

For example let's say there was a user who wanted to read a website full of LLM written articles and ads but they keep stumbling across low quality websites with poor SEO practices like Wikipedia instead, why that would be terrible. In order to prevent this terrible possiblity it is the noble duty of SEOs to buy well respected high ranking domain names so that users get a brand they can trust. Like Forbes. Or Radioshack.

[comment continues below the ad]

Sincerely, the myseonews.now "staff".

[-] bitofhope@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago

You could hook Cthulhu with bait that big.

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago

the sheer amount and rapidity of times it goes from "fucking wot m8" to moments where you can just see him cackling to himself, "hee heeeeee..... that'll teach 'em!", just constant whiplash

my neck hurts and I should've stretched

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[-] blakestacey@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago

My favorite quote from flipping through LessWrong to find something passingly entertaining:

You only multiply the SAT z-score by 0.8 if you're selecting people on high SAT score and estimating the IQ of that subpopulation, making a correction for regressional Goodhart. Rationalists are more likely selected for high g which causes both SAT and IQ

(From the comments for "The average rationalist IQ is about 122".)

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

, and I say that as a person with a sat score of 1650!

E: ow god the first comments are 'actually you and scott underestimate the derived IQ'

E: in other related new turns out Cephalopods have a higher IQ that the people on themotte. Article unrelated, just thought it was neat.

[-] sinedpick@awful.systems 7 points 1 week ago

I bet if they restricted the survey entrants to people who actually write on LW, the score would have been far lower. Has a single article on there contained even a twinge of a useful idea?

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[-] Architeuthis@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago

Molly White on one of the more obvious problems with betting markets

Tried to add the screenshot in the post but it won't work for some reason.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 1 week ago

With betting markets I often think, so they have all just forgotten the idea of assassination markets?

[-] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 8 points 2 weeks ago

Zuck wants to get back to his roots

It's time to get back to our roots around free expression and giving people voice on our platforms. Here's what we're going to do: [...] 5/ Move our trust and safety and content moderation teams out of California, and our US content review to Texas. This will help remove the concern that biased employees are overly censoring content.

Narrator: this announcement did not, in fact, ease concerns about bias.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 2 weeks ago

Ah i recall somebody got mad when I mentioned traditionally capitalists will team up with fascists.

[-] nightsky@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe I was naive, but I didn't expect all this to go that fast and that blatant...

[-] sc_griffith@awful.systems 7 points 1 week ago

this is going in hard enough that I suspect zuck is not expecting there to be another meaningful election

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[-] khalid_salad@awful.systems 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Does anyone else get tired of "read documentation and edit this text file to configure your app" Unix shit? I have no problem with the underlying configuration being a text-file (makes for a straightforward API), but do I really need to navigate to https://mpv.io/manual/master/#configuration-files and go through the rigamarole of figuring out which options I need to edit/include^[0]^ because I misplaced (read: sudo rm -rf /) my config file?


[0]: And there is always so much implicit bullshit. "By default, we summon Cthulhu on Tuesdays and Thursdays if the variable summon_octopus_guy is unset." It's a fucking config file, my friends, can we just be explicit?

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