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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this, and happy new year in advance.)

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[-] blakestacey@awful.systems 20 points 3 weeks ago

An interesting thing came through the arXiv-o-tube this evening: "The Illusion-Illusion: Vision Language Models See Illusions Where There are None".

Illusions are entertaining, but they are also a useful diagnostic tool in cognitive science, philosophy, and neuroscience. A typical illusion shows a gap between how something "really is" and how something "appears to be", and this gap helps us understand the mental processing that lead to how something appears to be. Illusions are also useful for investigating artificial systems, and much research has examined whether computational models of perceptions fall prey to the same illusions as people. Here, I invert the standard use of perceptual illusions to examine basic processing errors in current vision language models. I present these models with illusory-illusions, neighbors of common illusions that should not elicit processing errors. These include such things as perfectly reasonable ducks, crooked lines that truly are crooked, circles that seem to have different sizes because they are, in fact, of different sizes, and so on. I show that many current vision language systems mistakenly see these illusion-illusions as illusions. I suggest that such failures are part of broader failures already discussed in the literature.

[-] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 15 points 3 weeks ago

It's definitely linked in with the problem we have with LLMs where they detect the context surrounding a common puzzle rather than actually doing any logical analysis. In the image case I'd be very curious to see the control experiment where you ask "which of these two lines is bigger?" and then feed it a photograph of a dog rather than two lines of any length. I'm reminded of how it was (is?)easy to trick chatGPT into nonsensical solutions to any situation involving crossing a river because it pattern-matched to the chicken/fox/grain puzzle rather than considering the actual facts being presented.

Also now that I type it out I think there's a framing issue with that entire illusion since the question presumes that one of the two is bigger. But that's neither here nor there.

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 8 points 3 weeks ago

I think there’s a framing issue with that entire illusion since the question presumes that one of the two is bigger

I disagree, or rather I think that's actually a feature; "neither" is a perfectly reasonable answer to that question that a human being would give, and LLMs would be fucked by since they basically never go against the prompt.

[-] arbitraryidentifier@awful.systems 18 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 17 points 3 weeks ago

Spam bots are good now!

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 12 points 3 weeks ago

I think it did come up a few weeks back, but it's indeed a hilarious mess. the engagement must flow!

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 11 points 3 weeks ago

In my dreams, it won't take long until all user interactions are AI driven and people paying for ad space in that shit realizes that, leading to an immediate crash of meta's finances.

[-] self@awful.systems 16 points 3 weeks ago

hoping for a 2025 with solidarity, aid, and good opsec for everyone who needs it the most

[-] sc_griffith@awful.systems 14 points 3 weeks ago
[-] HotGarbage@awful.systems 10 points 3 weeks ago

https://xcancel.com/altryne/status/1872090523420229780#m

The whole thread is terrible; controlling and borderline abusive behavior.

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 10 points 3 weeks ago

I feel personally attacked because I have a BELOVED dino plush that looks almost exactly like that one, only is, you know, a fucking plush toy not an eldritch horror. They took a perfectly fine toy and ruined it with a stupid chatbot, the girl did the smartest thing and just uses it as a normal plushy.

Also if you listen to the video at the end you can really easily figure out why kids don't like that toy, IT'S FUCKING ANNOYING. Kids don't want to deal with your bullshit and fortunately they don't yet know how to pretend to care.

[-] bitofhope@awful.systems 8 points 3 weeks ago

"In the meantime, would you like to play a game or maybe hear a fun fact?"
"No."
"That's okay! Is there something else you would like to do or talk about? I'm here to chat about anything you like!"

It's like a deliberately written comedy scene of a character who can't pick up on social cues.

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 12 points 3 weeks ago

Teaching the girl how to deadpan ignore annoying guys in her DMs for the rest of her life, I mean, valuable skill

[-] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 6 points 3 weeks ago

The video is hilarious. The idiot AI man is so gpt-pilled he cannot figure out that this thing is just bloody annoying!!

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[-] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Hopefully 2025 will be a nice normal year--

Cybertruck outside of Trump hotel explodes violently and no once can figure out if it was a bomb or just Cybertruck engineering

Huh. I guess it'll be another weird one.

(I know I know, low effort post, I'm sick in bed and bored)

[-] mii@awful.systems 8 points 3 weeks ago

Hey, at least there’s no way the Elon simps can spin that, right?

Never mind.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 3 weeks ago

They are also spinning it into "the car is so great you cant do terrorism with it due to how strong it is", which considering the several vehicle terrorism acts recently seems very unwise.

Also 'it would be different for the bystanders' i think you can see on the explosion vid there were not that many bystanders (which makes terrorism a bit less likely) and still 7 people were hurt (and the driver died). Id wait a bit with drawing further conclusions.

[-] blakestacey@awful.systems 7 points 2 weeks ago

Steel, like a pressure cooker

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[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 3 weeks ago

Don't worry about the low effort post, even the writers of 2025 are phoning it in.

[-] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 12 points 3 weeks ago

"...according to my machine learning model we actually have a strong fit in favor of shooting at CEOs. There's a 66% chance that each shot will either jam or fail to hit anything fatal, which creates a strong Bayesian prior in favor, or at least merits collecting further data to scale our models"

"What do you mean I've defined the problem in order to get the desired result? Machine learning process said we're good. Why do you hate the future?"

[-] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 11 points 3 weeks ago

Fellas, I was promised the first catastrophic AI event in 2024 by the chief doomers. There's only a few hours left to go, I'm thinking skynet is hiding inside the times square orb. Stay vigilant!

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 9 points 3 weeks ago

I'm sad to report that the catastrophic AI event already happened and it was this picture

mind horrors beyond your comprehension

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 3 weeks ago

Ow god it is 2025 in .nl, it is coming! Everything is exploding, ai is turning us into fireworks! Yud was right!!1!!one!!

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 3 weeks ago
[-] ibt3321@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 weeks ago

Comment sections on awful.systems are similar to this Drew Gooden sketch sometimes:

It's just hard for me to give MY input when I don't even know what's going on

[-] gerikson@awful.systems 18 points 3 weeks ago

If you stick around and do a bunch of research you will end up better informed and much unhappier.

[-] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 17 points 3 weeks ago

Once a month or so Awful Systems casually mentions a racist in some sub-sub-culture who I had never heard about before and then I get to spend an hour doing background research on obscure net drama from 2013 or whatever.

[-] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 10 points 3 weeks ago

Oh no I'm in this sketch and I don't like it. Or at least, I would be. The secret is to acknowledge your lack of background knowledge or basic grounding in what you're talking about and then blunder forward based on vibes and values, trusting that if you're too far off base on the details you'll piss off someone (sorry skillissuer) enough to correct you.

[-] self@awful.systems 10 points 3 weeks ago

I’m making a mental note to keep that link around for the next time someone barges into one of our threads and does the “I don’t know what this is, here’s my reaction to what I thought the topic was, no I didn’t read the article or lurk” routine

as a bonus they might accidentally watch the rest of the video and finally figure out how much AI sucks

[-] sc_griffith@awful.systems 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

“I don’t know what this is, here’s my reaction to what I thought the topic was, no I didn’t read the article or lurk”

bizarre that they actually just say this

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 10 points 3 weeks ago

You know guys, it's really hard for me to give MY input when you are so negative about all the terrible things I like. Next time you guys come CRAWLING to me for advice, try not hating me as a human being for everything my twisted value system represents.

[-] self@awful.systems 8 points 2 weeks ago

a reply from a mastodon thread about an instance of AI crankery:

Claude has a response for ya. "You're oversimplifying. While language models do use probabilistic token selection, reducing them to "fancy RNGs" is like calling a brain "just electrical signals." The learned probability distributions capture complex semantic relationships and patterns from human knowledge. That said, your skepticism about AI hype is fair - there are plenty of overinflated claims worth challenging." Not bad for a bucket of bolts 'rando number generator', eh?

maybe I’m late to this realization because it’s a very stupid thing to do, but a lot of the promptfondlers who come here regurgitating this exact marketing fluff and swearing they know exactly how LLMs work when they obviously don’t really are just asking the fucking LLMs, aren’t they?

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[-] self@awful.systems 8 points 2 weeks ago

A "high-tech" grifter car that only endangers its own inhabitants, a Trump and Musk fan showing his devotion by blowing himself up alongside symbols of both, the failure of this trained and experienced murderer to think through the actual material function of his weaponry, welcome to the Years of Lead Paint.

from I Was Promised a More Aesthetically Pleasing Cyberpunk Dystopia by Vicky Osterweil

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[-] self@awful.systems 8 points 3 weeks ago

this isn’t surprising at all, but some of the details are interesting: Server found in apartment funded by Russian government used AI to interfere with 2024 US elections

LLMs really are designed for this kind of thing, aren’t they?

[-] gerikson@awful.systems 7 points 3 weeks ago

as an amuse bouche for the horrors that will follow this year, please enjoy this lobste.rs reaching the melting down end stage after going full Karen at someone who agrees with a submitted post saying LLMs are a dead end when it comes to AI.

https://lobste.rs/s/lgqwje/does_current_ai_represent_dead_end#c_tefto4

Thankfully, accusing someone of being a crapto promoter is seen as an attack that is beyond the pale.

Highlights from the rest of the thread include bemoaning the lack of a downvote button for registering disapproval:

https://lobste.rs/s/lgqwje/does_current_ai_represent_dead_end#c_ft9mpj

unilaterally deciding to reply multiple times to one comment, neccesitating them to add a meta comment with hyperlinks

https://lobste.rs/s/lgqwje/does_current_ai_represent_dead_end#c_jjk5ei

And of course is a MoreWronger (moroner?)

[-] blakestacey@awful.systems 8 points 3 weeks ago

If you go over to LessWrong, you can get some ideas of what is possible

[-] gerikson@awful.systems 7 points 3 weeks ago

I just got a hit of esprit d'escalier, and wished I'd replied to this

But the road to Hackers News is paved with good intentions.

with

So too is the road to Roko's Basilisk.

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[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Lol of course they think they are civil and other people as pushing nasty rethoric. Quite the sealion feeling.

Wonder if they even notice how much communication weirdness they themself used. With the emphasis of emotional laden language. (They didnt use bold so i cant call it crank capitalization, but more crank cursive. A big deal for me! ;) )

Anyway the questioning of "how do you know this is why there is no downvoting" shows the type of person they are. (And is quite the Rationalist annoying behavior, suddenly they demand excessive sourcing for small remarks of people they disagree with).

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[-] khalid_salad@awful.systems 7 points 3 weeks ago

I have landed on a "you can get fucked if you make this annoying for me, I don't need your product anyway" response to everything. The silver lining is that I will be dealing with way more bullshit while being just as angry all the time at everything.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 weeks ago

ellison wants to compete with thiel for title of chief boot-wielder https://archive.is/cOnPx

[-] bitofhope@awful.systems 9 points 2 weeks ago

Not that I expect anything better from the fucking lawnmower but the flippant attitude on display is little short of amazing. How bad is it when Business Insider of all publications calls your vision a "surveillance dystopia"?

Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there's a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person.

Body cam footage of the officer-involved shooting was not available, as the AI system supervising the involved officers was coincidentally disregarding its previous instructions and instead writing a minstrel show routine at the time of the event.

[-] istewart@awful.systems 7 points 2 weeks ago

I can't help but feel like for Ellison in particular, he must have given himself no choice but to believe this stuff is more capable than it is. He's 80 years old now, and if building towards honest-to-god "real AI" wasn't what his whole career was about, then what was the point? The twilight of the older generations of tech executives is going to be its own special kind of pathology.

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[-] mirrorwitch@awful.systems 6 points 2 weeks ago

I find it impressive how gen-AI developed a technology that is fine-tuned to generate content that looks precisely passably plausible, but never good enough to be correct or interesting or beautiful or worthwhile in any way.

Like if I was trying to fill the Internet with noise to ruin it, on purpose, I couldn't do better than this. (mostly on accounr of me not having massive data centres nor the moral calousness to spew that much carbon, but still). It's like the ideal infohazard weapon if your goal is to worsen as many lives as you can

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