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submitted 1 week ago by real@hexbear.net to c/chat@hexbear.net

It seems to really have alienated a number of people and prevented them from posting. This is a great shame because I felt that hexbears’s momentum and place of online leftism was really starting to shine in the days after the election. This is the most important time for there to be an alternative on the left and we’re wasting it, with what appears to be the start of another struggle session caused by mods unilaterally deciding things.

I don’t really have a solution or more to say, more just this dump of feelings

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[-] TeraByteMarx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 days ago

Yeah, I was on the revleft forum for a few years and the vibe that eventually caused that forum to collapse (mainly mods and admins taking their contribution and themselves way too seriously) seems rampant here. Who wants to enter a community with such a high level of infighting, it's awkward. Still better than a lot of other spaces but just kinda sad because it could be much better

[-] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 74 points 1 week ago

Just keep posting. If the poster ahead of you should upvote the wrong post and be banned, pick up their keyboard and press onwards

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 36 points 1 week ago

Starting to think that all of us sharing one keyboard may be a reason for the lack of posts. We need to bolster the production of keyboards in the next five year plan.

[-] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

Then after we win the posting wars will we eat keyboards? We can't fall into only wartime production!

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[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
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[-] dannoffs@hexbear.net 58 points 1 week ago

Nothing more leftist than fucking up the vibes for no reason at the worst possible time.

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 54 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I've tried my best to stay out of the struggle sessions but it feels like the mods keep doing foolish things and pissing off people more and more. HB does feel a lot slower and I hope it's not because people are afraid to upbear/post.

[-] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

look i love this stupid website and the admins do good work but also their motto is "if it ain't broke, absolutely fuck with it"

countless such instances

[-] propter_hog@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

Everyone keeps saying it

[-] real@hexbear.net 36 points 1 week ago

It absolutely is, there has been a strong decline in site activity since the struggle sesh. Hexbear was among the most active I’ve seen directly beforehand.

[-] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 40 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I’m not exactly a power poster. I just like hexbear as Reddit but with far less shitty politics and cooperate astroturfing. However with these moderation struggle sessions I just find hexbear is less appealing. Hexbear is clearly a very important space to some people and who are getting very upset over things. And I think these events between these users and mods are chilling the community. It’s not a warm welcoming space to bring in new users and encourage interaction and exploring the community. Imagine your first interaction with the site: you open it up and the front page is all pinned posts about stupid drama. Even as a reasonably regular user I haven’t got time to read them and frankly don’t wish to. I’m sure I can’t be the only one who feels this way.

FWIW on the current issue, I think upvotes are good for surfacing interesting content. That’s why Reddit was so good, it crowdsources the curation. A million users is a better sorter of content than a desk of moderators acting as content editors. They’re open to manipulation sure. But I’m not seeing too many issues on hexbear.

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 39 points 1 week ago

Sure it was the struggle session? Even now I feel the details of the session fading away like fingerprints on an abandoned handrail

I feel like it's more post-election malaise, same thing happened back in 2020 after Biden won, alot of bored posting, and I'm leavin, I'm back, I'm leavin, I'm back posts too

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago

I feel like the almost back-to-back "Dunk Tank" struggle session and then "Upvote Ban" struggle session probably burned a lot of people up. :/

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago

then "Upvote Ban" struggle session

I completely missed that one, but since neither of them come close to the vegan debacle of 2021, I feel it's safe to assume the site will survive this short period of unrest

Like I said before, I think alot of these micromanaging debates over forum engineering stem from a misplaced frustration with the state of the world AS WELL as the continuing failure of federation over a year after it's launch, on top of the embarrassing and increasing 4chan-fication of lemmy as a whole

[-] dannoffs@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

I definetly think the struggle session had some impact but I've personally been posting less because I hacked my 3DS and have been playing DQ7 nonstop.

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[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 38 points 1 week ago

I haven't really noticed. Probably because I mostly ignore struggle sessions.

[-] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago

Yeah it has been slow. Sucks. Genuinely are little concerned that we've reached a fulcrum, and without further action we're about to see the spiral of slower boards-->fewer people bothering to check Hexbear-->even slower boards-->new people who stumble upon HB who would otherwise have joined now just see it as kind of slow and empty like lemmygrad-->death

[-] real@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

Yes some real change needs to be made. I think anyone who has the time and is concerned about the sites future should apply to be a mod (with the newest mod drive) to try and do a lib and change the system from within.

[-] miz@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think we were bound to get a lull after the election madness and the multiple-month crescendo of bullshit. people are partly recovering from that

[-] propter_hog@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

I firmly believe with zero evidence that post-election weariness and anger caused the struggle session. Tensions were high.

[-] Sophie@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago

not being allowed to bully libs has really ruined the soul of this subreddit (website), bring back hexbear cyberbullying pls doggirl-tears

[-] Yukiko@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago

I think it's more that a lot of posts are getting consolidated into the megas. Which is good, but also bad.

[-] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 41 points 1 week ago

Nah it's bad. Megas are cool for general discussion, but a forum like this relies on standalone posts. Otherwise, you're just making a discord server with extra steps. And there's a reason I'm here and not on discord ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[-] Yukiko@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

Hence the bad part. The good part is that each individual comm can modify the rules to its needs.

[-] Homer_Simpson@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

Which one? Deleting the dunk tank or the other one?

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[-] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

Time to start a new struggle session

Um i think pineapple is good on pizza

[-] Aradina@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago
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Idk, I've been interacting less since I started using matrix a lot more, though I was never a capital P Poster. Turns out the Internet keeps re-discovering that yes in fact chat rooms are the most personal way to hang out and be social together. Alor at least I keep rediscovering it for myself. I'm not leaving any time soon though.

[-] Des@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

i just feel like i can't keep up with chat rooms. i used to love them. but i work such long hours

here i can have a slow moving short conversation over many days between shifts. sure it's not as personal, and feels kind of drive-by.

i recognize lots of people here but takes years to get to know anyone. but yeah back in the early days of chatrooms i made some RL relationships. deep ones. some leading to in person meetups

learned about my queerness, transness. so yeah i do miss that.

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[-] Gorb@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

It's ok I'm gonna post butts to bring everyone back

[-] propter_hog@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As long as they're pretty butts. I don't want to see Elon's butt, for example.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

Every struggle session is like this. Folks will trickle back in with alts and mostly it'll be fine.

[-] red_stapler@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

The news mega is poppin; God’s in His heaven All ’s right with the world!

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

The news post poppin is always a cause for alarm, but at least I know when the nukes are fired, we will die posting

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[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

What did you nerds do this time?

[-] real@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

Mods and admins making a lot of stupid unilateral decisions in a short notice.

[-] iie@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's been massively blown out of proportion, people here don't know how to deescalate and talk things through.

More than anything, what hurts this site are the struggle sessions themselves, not whatever sparks them. People leave to get away from the screaming matches. People need to slow down and talk to each other like human beings instead of snowballing into massive fights over ultimately inconsequential issues.

Everyone who escalated the struggle session deserves some share of the blame for chilling the atmosphere of the site. Putting all the blame on the moderators and not introspecting is a great way to learn nothing and guarantee another massive struggle session over some equally inconsequential issue in the future.

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[-] miz@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

it'll be okay. make some GOOD posts

[-] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

No only-throw only badposts

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[-] Poison_Ivy@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

What struggle session? Was it the vegans again?

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago

No it was the rock stackers complaining about outdoor cats knocking down their Babylonian towers

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[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

No a bunch of people were up voting some tailist shit and mods used the view up vote tool to see who was agreeing with it and some folks caught some strays. Only temp bans were issued over it and tbh I think most of them could have been corrected verbally unfortunately this is not that sort of medium and some of our lgbtq and poc comrades were uncomfortable with a particular comment being up voted so much. Was it an overcorrection? Perhaps but it is not the massive problem people are making it out to be.

I am on team remove upvotes.

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[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

It was Beanis posters vs fake news posters. The fight of the century

[-] morte@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

Never Stop Posting

change-da-world-1change-da-world-2

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