I heard Teslas are supposed to have manual release latches inside.
In any case, doors should always be manual anyway. This isn't the first time this happened and I'm surprised there isn't a regulation for this yet.
this post was submitted on 13 Nov 2024
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If we investigated car accidents like we did plane accidents we’d probably have banned them by now.
We'd probably have high speed rail too instead of a vast expanse of highways
Investigators arrive on scene. Immediately notice how the infrastructure was designed for gridlock rush hour where nothing is moving. Are appalled that the only safety training the motorists received was completed 20 years ago and never refreshed. Dismayed that these circumstances are permitted in densely populated areas.
They do have manual release latches, but if you have never used them they might be hard to find. Especially in the panic of a burning car.
Really vehicle electronic doors should operate the same way they (usually?) do in buildings - in case of power loss they default to unlatched.
Power loss isn't necessarily a good choice even in a traditional ICE car with a battery, let alone one with a bigass EV battery.
Because it makes it super easy to break into a car (pop the hood and unplug two connectors) AND very likely will remain charged throughout much of the fire.
No. The answer is you have fucking manual locks and door handles that don't require you to pry open a panel.
The article says that some Model Ys don't have a manual release on the rear doors. Can't imagine how that passes any country's safety standards.
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The BMW manual door release is pulling the handle twice. This kind of negligence is insane and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration should slap them with a punitive fine and a mandatory recall.
Oh Elon is definitely gonna kill that department.
and I'm surprised there isn't a regulation for this yet.
Don't be. Expect any existing regulations to be rolled back soon.
There definitely needs to be a way for people outside the car to open it. People involved in accidents are often incapacitated.
The ones in the rear are hidden under a mat in the door.
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-AAD769C7-88A3-4695-987E-0E00025F64E0.html
The model X requires you to remove the speaker grill to manually open the door.
You know, nice and intuitive.
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The Elon Musk-owned automaker has a troubling history of owners getting locked in their cars without power. Some of these cases may be down to user error, since most Teslas come with manual release levers.
Of course, let's blame the users 🙄
In the case of the model Y referenced, this release is under a mat. You wouldn't see it in normal operation.
In case of emergency, lift the floor mat and input the 16 digit release code.
The 16 digit code can be found in the "My Data" section on x.com, assuming your account has been linked to your vehicle.
Now, now, remember correlation is not causation. Maybe it's not the unintuitive design; maybe a disproportionate number of idiots buy Teslas?
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"seemingly"
Ye, it seemed like it so we just decided we'd rather burn alive than to actually try opening the door.
News titles sometimes
Fair, but at least they're reporting it and connecting the dots re: this tesla safety issue, which I haven't seen from any legacy media
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Worried about libel, it is very likely that someone like Musk would sue.
If they said "It was the fault of Tesla that these people are dead" without proof and without it being a quote from someone else, they can be sued pretty easily.
Authorities are still investigating the crash and fire. But the details that we have so far implicate to some degree the electronic doors used by Tesla and other automakers, which require power to open.
Explain to me how the engineers aren't guilty of manslaughter?
Look, I lasted one semester at engineering school, washed all the way out almost immediately. I still had to write a 10-page case study on an engineering failure, and the one I chose was the McDonnell-Douglas DC-10 cargo door failures. They teach this shit in failing community colleges in purple states. The buck stops with the PE that signed the plans. Drag his ass into criminal court. The person who allowed this design to go to production does not need to be free.
They won't because this would require a trial where rich people wouldn't benefit, which is a waste of government resources, which goes against the Department of Government Efficiency's goals. More efficient to throw these poor souls' families under the bus.
The people who design the Tesla cars are not engineers. They're a bunch of tech geeks who think they're engineers.
I mean, ask yourself this why is. Every single automobile that exists today with the exception of the Tesla can handle rain and car washes with absolutely no issues and yet Teslas have to have a special button to close off certain parts of the car so that the air intake doesn't get too wet otherwise the car ends up stinking horribly of mildew.
The people who design the Tesla cars are not engineers. They're a bunch of tech geeks who think they're engineers.
There is still someone's signature.
If needed, liquidate company.
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Where's the Safety FMEA! Show me the FMEA!
Risk 3452.7: feature, door. Function, opens during fire, failure mode: won't open during fire, trapping people inside. Cause: the darn things are electronic! So if the battery fails in a big ass fire with people inside, those fuckers are gonna cook real good! Engineering controls in place to prevent the failure mode: 200,000 units delivered in time! As in it took time to deliver the units. Risk rank: 😉 it's Frank! 😄 My name's Frank! Not rank!
Well I'm glad we took time to mitigate these risks.
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Further investigation shows that three of the four had recently posted mean things about Elon Musk on Xitter. A representative from the company issued the following statement. "It is unfortunate that the fourth passenger, who was seemingly innocent of blasphemy, chose to associate with the guilty parties. Sometimes collateral damage has to occur in our attempt to cleanse the population."
I can think of only a few situations where you'd want to get out of a car quickly, where you'd have enough time to look under all the matte covers to find a manual door release switch that may or may not be installed. A fire is certainly not one of them. At the very least shouldn't they be equipped with a Nothammer...?
A lot of newer cars have stronger glass that even these or the spring-loaded kind can’t break.
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What's the point of one of these if the windows are supposed to be unbreakable?
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Is there an advantage to such an electronic door opener? If they have to include a manual release anyways, it really doesn't seem like they'd save space.
I guess, there might be novelty to just pressing a button, but not burning alive is also quite a cool feature.
Just a button to press!
Emergency release can be hidden behind the speaker cover!
Always have an emergency hammer in your car to break a window
I have a Civic with a manual door handle, but after reading your comment ... I think I'm going to get one to leave in the car just in case.
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The spring-loaded kind are a lot easier to use in a cramped car and by people with less upper body strength. However, those won't work on newer cars with dual-pane or laminated glass
I've seen people say that emergency window hammers don't work with Tesla windows as they're laminated in current models.
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It would be crazy sci-fi villian if Musk had mobile access to everyone's Tesla and he is just killing off customers he doesn't like by doing shit like refusing to unlock the doors.
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