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[-] DharkStare@lemmy.world 141 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's such an alien thought process that I don't even know where I would begin with discussing politics with such a person.

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[-] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 102 points 1 month ago

"the greatest argument against democracy is a conversation with the average voter"

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 68 points 1 month ago

It's like people really believe America entered WW2 to fight fascism becaus Americans are innately good....

Large amounts of the country said the same shit this guy is. They wanted to either stay out of it or outright join the nazis.

Especially the wealthy. Prescott Bush was believed to be part of the Business Plot that wanted to overthrow the US government in favor of fascism and doing the Axis powers.

They didn't succeed (mostly because of Pearl Harbor) but his son became head of the CIA, VP, and then president. One of his sons also became president, and almost another one.

If we don't remember what history was really like, we're doomed to keep being surprised when the same shit keeps happening.

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[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 61 points 1 month ago

Dictators: famous for ending wars. We'll never learn how many wars could have been prevented if only all countries had authoritarian leaders, too bad it's never happened before.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 51 points 1 month ago

Tell me you are a racist piece of shit without telling me you are a racist piece of shit.

I really believe that most Americans are dumb enough to be racist and just smart enough to know they shouldn't say it. I can't help but read all this apologism for Trump as thinly veiled, "I know he's a weird guy, but thank God someone is finally going to do something about all the people that look different than me".

[-] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Also, misogynist. "I sont agree with his dictatorial views, but at least he's got a dick!"

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[-] bitchkat@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Saying "I voted for Trump" is saying "I'm a racist piece of shit". We can retire the "without saying" joke in this context.

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[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 48 points 1 month ago

In times past, I was fascinated by Hitler and WW2. It was a lifelong obsession that I had since childhood. But ever since the Trump era started it started to wane due to the fact that WW2 and Hitler just didn't seem so distant anymore... the world felt like a repeat of what was happening in those days and looking up facts felt, in part, like learning more to understand what is happening now instead of about history.

But if there is something that I need to point out is that Hitler was a SHIT leader. Germans and Germany ever since the Kaiser era were portrayed as hyperefficient and militaristic, and people then claim the Nazis were the same. They weren't. Nazi bureaucracy was bullshit and most of their economic growth was based on plunder (initially from German Jews and other marginalized groups and later from other countries) and almost purely military build up. Germany actually lagged behind in technological build-up to most countries, despite the stereotypes of the Wunderwaffen of WW2 (Fritz-X bomb, the ME-262, etc), and industrially as any technology that didn't have a direct military benefit was discarded. They didn't even have any proper anti-biotics during the war!

Even agriculture was fucked by the Germans. Despite the romanticization of the German peasantry and the countryside by the Nazis, they could not sustain their population at all. Most German food was imported, and they were preparing their population for harsh wartime rationing even before the war started. They fed their population almost entirely on stolen food from Poland, France, the Netherlands, and Ukraine. Also by killing a lot of people in the death camps they saved on food that way as well.

People stereotype communist countries as having no food when they don't realize that fascist nations just can't feed their own folk. Nazi Germany wasn't alone in having serious food problems. Imperial Japan couldn't feed its own population and would have had widespread hunger if they didn't start plundering China during the war.

Hitler lead Germans and Germany into death and destruction and misery and mayhem. He did nothing good for Germany. None at all. Even towards the end of the war he would have been OK with the German people being genocided since if they were defeated by the barbarian orc-like Soviets and the mongrel Americans they were not the master race he thought they were and they deserved to die. There is a reason why he is remembered as one of the world's greatest monsters.

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago

He did nothing good for Germany.

He did kill Hitler tho.

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[-] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

I see where you're coming from. Perhaps not as obsessed, but I always had a historical interest in the era until it became an alarming parallel to present day news. Most people do not know much about what went down in the pre-war period. They just have knee-jerk reactions to it. "Traditional values" were trending at the time, Nazism was marketed as the modern, cool choice. Education, administration and even scouting and chess clubs were Nazified at the time. I see it with the freaking MAGA hat everywhere nowadays. I just see it and say, fuck this is some Nazi Germany shit. To me now there are two kinds of people, those who see it, and those who don't. People are so precious thinking that Germans went nuts with the mass murder shit and elected this guy, but themselves have been on the exact same track as Nazi Germany for years: idolizing a dangerous man without ever questioning him. Soon they will have no excuse either, only collective guilt. Some of us won't be here to see it though, for one reason or another. I have pointed this out in my other comment: once fascists get hold of the state apparatus, there is no horror we can put past them.

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[-] vordalack@lemm.ee 41 points 1 month ago

“I voted for the guy that I think is like Hitler to end conflicts and keep us out of wars.”

Did he not read the part where Hitler genocided Jews, Europeans, and the disabled?

Did he not read the part in history where Hitler caused a war so large that it wiped out entire European families, literally tens of millions of Europeans?

The white working class in this country is going to get everything they voted for. I hope Trump floods their neighborhoods with immigrants, LEGALLY.

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago
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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 38 points 1 month ago

Ya know.... if I thought someone was literally Hitler, the last thing I'm gonna fucking do is help them literally have control of... everything.

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[-] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago

As a German, this the insane things our parents, grandparents and institutions warned us about. People begrudgingly accepted their lead in the hopes that "although it's an authoritarian, maybe he will take care of our goals". What followed was the cruelty of 1939 to 1945 and no one deserves to live through that, not even the idiots that got us in this mess.

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[-] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

Everyone keeps looking for answers to why trump won. I keep coming back to media directed stupidity

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And social media feeds.

How much you wanna bet this guy scrolls facebook a ton? Or listens to railing radio/podcasts on drives? This opinion didn't spawn from a vacuum.

They should be following up and asking him where he got those ideas.

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[-] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 month ago

Because Hitler is famous for avoiding global armed conflict.

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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is Strength

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm beginning to see why he is a former construction worker.

This guy was fired for being obviously mentally unstable.

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[-] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

This is what happens when you systematically dismantle the public education system.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I mean, yeah, this guy is wrong for thinking Trump will keep us out of wars, and the idea that you would vote for someone you think it like Hitler to stop new wars is both contradictory and morally reprehensible. But I've heard this take before (well, except the Hitler part, that's bat-shit insane) and it might be worth reflecting why a lot of the electorate no longer sees the Democratic party as the anti-war party. That's a big shift that's occurred in my lifetime, and it's worth examining.

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[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 month ago

Same guy? I don’t know where this particular ideologue lives, but it would hardly be the first (second, third, fourth…) time newspapers “accidentally” presented career conservatives as a “randomly selected” voter.

[-] flango@lemmy.eco.br 15 points 1 month ago
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[-] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

Done went from being the guy we'd kill if we had a time machine to the guy we voted for in less than a decade. Pretty impressive trick.

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot...I call BS on Wolfson's reasoning. The bastard is most likely a neo-Nazi shitbag and knew exactly what he wants out Putin's Sock Puppet.

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

I wonder who Trump voted for.

Oh that's right, he's a convicted felon. That would be voter fraud.

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[-] vxx@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Can't we convince MAGA that trump has been replaced by the deep state or something that makes them fight for a good cause for once?

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No, because Dems are stuck on a high horse and burned 1 billion campaigning like its the 1950s. Fff, they could have won the election spending a tenth of that on bots and paying off influencers.

We absolutely need money for a shameless 'oppositional' propaganda apparatus.

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[-] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Leopards ate my face

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Says a person who thinks they’ll never see the front line, the soup line, or the inside of a concentration camp.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

Imagine having a mind this... Acrobatic

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Voter turnout among Democrats this year was 10 million lower than in 2020, while Republican turnout barely changed. Trump won the popular vote by about 3.5 million. TBF it's unknown how many Democrats didn't vote because they were purged off voter rolls, and how many simply refused to participate because Harris didn't satisfy their moral purity standards. But based on the consistent failure by Republicans to win their election restricting lawsuits, my strong guess is that it's those 10 million fuckheads who did this to us. Zero tolerance doesn't work, folks, You don't walk barefoot across broken glass because you didn't like the choices of shoes.

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[-] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

As far as, fascism is concerned, peace is certain ruin The preservation of international peace renders it possible for the enslaved masses in the fascist countries to gather their forces together and to prepare for the overthrow of the hated fascist dictatorship, and to enable the international proletariat to win time for the establishment of unity tit its ranks, to rally together the supporters of peace, and to establish an insurmountable barrier against the outbreak of war.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/dimitrov/works/1937/war.htm

no war with Peoples Republic of China, no war with Russia, no war with Iran, no war with Venezuela, no war with Cuba, no war with the Democratic Republic of Korea

No war but class war

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[-] Disgracefulone@discuss.online 8 points 1 month ago

Maybe he just meant all the good qualities of Hitler. Like the ones he used to get away with his evil fucking mass murder for so long.

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