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Because I don’t, and pretending to feels dishonest. I’ll listen if they want to talk about it, but I’m not going to act interested, and I certainly won’t ask about it on my own. What I’m trying to figure out is whether people actually care, or if they’re just playing a social game that I’m simply not interested in.

I’m probably on the autistic spectrum, which likely explains this to some extent. But that’s not an excuse - being an asshole is perfectly compatible with autism, so before dunking on me, please realise I probably agree with your criticism.

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[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Autistic and I don’t care, but I do listen and I try to do it well.

[-] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 19 hours ago

Absolutely I care, and I want all of the details and pictures. It brings me great joy to see my homies living exciting lives, and I'm thankful to be part of that. With children, especially - they feel like nieces and nephews and I am inherently invested in their wellbeing and success, even for long-distance friendships in which I've never met the kiddos.

I don't have any family of my own, so my Will and estate is divided amongst my friends, and those with kids are allotted a bigger piece of the pie so they can put it towards their college or whatever when I die.

[-] Barzaria@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 21 hours ago

Well I look at it like this: I don't really care that much personally about my friends mundane things, but I do care about mine. I think that there isn't a reason for them to care about my mundane things, but I enjoy having my mundane things listened to. I like that reciprocity, so I made an effort to listen and ask questions that show I'm engaged in the conversation. I try to express empathy by saying when a situation sounds tough or fun. I have noticed that "showing up" for the conversation is what our friends want a lot of the time, and that's what we want as well a lot of the time. I have also noticed that after a few sessions of "showing up", I can actually get engaged and move beyond just showing up. I have a buddy who has a sick grandma, and the first few mentions of her I kinda had the same thoughts, like, I don't care about this lady, why should I listen. I showed up anyways and it led to some interesting conversation about the nature of mental illness because she was remembering very vivid details from her past and that led to some interesting convos about all that. I think that being able to find the enjoyment in a small talk conversation is definitely a skill, but it is rewarding in both your interpersonal relationships and in learning new things through unexpected exposure to new concepts. As a fellow autist, I'm pretty information driven, but neurotypical people, I think, are more feelings driven. The small talk stuff is super important to them and they put that up front first, I guess to judge your character? I'm not sure why, but I have noticed better interactions after I have engaged in small talk. It really is a trainable skill and when you get good at small talk, it can be enjoyable!

[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 4 points 21 hours ago

The nature of my job is that I often listen to people tell me their life story while I’m replacing their kitchen faucet. It’s not that I can’t do small talk - I just find most of the topics incredibly uninteresting. Like I said earlier, I know how to play the game, I just find it mind-numbingly boring.

This goes both ways, though. I’m acutely aware that most people aren’t interested in the things I’m most passionate about, so I don’t bring those up either. But when I do meet someone with similar interests, I could talk for hours. Those conversations are rarely about people or events - mostly about ideas.

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[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 16 hours ago

In general I don't care. I too have come to realize that I'm autistic. It's a shame that I didn't understand this until my 40's.

I have found though that I will care if it's a topic I am also interested in. Babies don't interest me, and in fact annoy me. So that one is out. Most life events, don't care.

Vacation stuff? Ok now I'm listening because I do like to travel and I may learn something. Wanna discuss engineering? We could go for hours.

I guess the threshold is, will I get anything out of this conversation? Which, maybe is selfish, maybe it's autism, I donno. I'm happy that you're happy about the thing but if I'm being honest with myself I don't care unless it effects me.

That's specific to the topics OP is describing and not all conversations. If someone is in need of guidance of something I'm happy to share my knowledge. I am fortunately not a narcissist.

[-] Wrongdoer4094@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

For some stuff I don't care, some other makes me jealous and some other is actually cool to discover/learn (think of some new place to have lunch/dinner or some hobby you didn't know about your friend).

But in general I am with you, and I also feel like most people liking and commenting are playing the social game.

I am not very active in social networks, though...

[-] RonnieB@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

A baby and a vacation aren't comparable.

Do I "care" about every little detail of their vacation? No, but I'm glad they are happy and had a good time.

People like to talk about their experiences, it's not really a game.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I usually like to hear about people's travels to xyz. I find it less interesting to know about who had a baby, who's engaged with whom etc. but baby pictures are kinda cute. Usually though the purpose of hearing people talk about therir trip is to tell another mutual friend/family member that "person abc went to country xyz" or "had a baby with xyz". But sometimes you wonder how it would be like to visit that country yourself, or if you have been then how their trip compared to yours, so hearing stories from people you know are good insights.

It can drag on after a while, so when some anecdote goes on too long I try to fast forward towards the end of the trip, ask more about the trip that I want to hear about, or ask "did you bring anything back?" As the last question before changing the subject.

I like telling anyone who's interested about train stuff, and I'll share my travels in conversation, but I try to limit it to showing one or two pictures/videos off my phone and just the highlights in a few sentences.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

This feels like the wrong framing.

I dunno, I like my friends and them being happy about something tends to make me happy. Do I find every baby/vacation anecdote amazing? Absolutely not but a lot of them have a kernel of funny or just something interesting for me to note.

Also, from a pure reciprocity perspective, don't you enjoy having folks to talk with about things going well in your life even they're maybe not the most unique or compelling things?

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Vacations, you gotta treat like MySpace. Set your top 8, and make sure you choose your top 8 wisely.

8 photos I feel like can easily net you a good 25 minute conversation.

Babies/pets? Show me 1-2 photos. Don't overdo it. You're going to have more photos as time goes on. This isn't a vacation where you have a finite amount of content. You'll show me a photo of your baby being cute. Hey, that's great. We'll talk about it for a few minutes. But we'll also talk about it for a few minutes next week when your baby is going to be cute again. So it's not like I want to spend all day talking about your baby. Your baby is cute, I'm happy for you, but lets move on.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 18 hours ago

Babies and children, no. I mainly care if those kids are sick as children being sick affect the well-being of who I'm talking to.

I like to discuss vacations and I'll usually ask more in depth questions about travel since I like to travel.

That said, there is usually something beneficial to social cohesion where you care enough about people that you more than just name and role. I've found that it is generally a lot more miserable to work in an environment where everyone is a cog in a machine.

[-] Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

I'm interested in parts of the trip. Mainly the foods and food markets. What they ate where. If they want to tell me about the views or the guy at that shop who said something, I'll feign interest.

Anyone who has been on a "cruise holiday" eats on the ship, and the food may be good but it isn't exciting or too exotic. I want to know how you ate a sausage and found out later it was an earthworm but it was really nice because they grilled it with lime and stuff and you couldn't tell.

[-] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

there is an important distinction between real friends, as in people who went through significant part of your life together with you, and your 500 "friends" on facebook...

[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

When it's about good friends, then yes, I care a lot.

[-] Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl 4 points 1 day ago

Sure, I was always interested to see where everyone was traveling. That's what I had Facebook for until it turned to shit.

I don't have to hear anything about babies though.

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Even if you don't care, it's probably a good idea to at least pay attention to the announcement of a new baby, because this is a new person, who will be a significant influence on their life and may have some impact on your own. Later on, it's considered polite to at least ask "and how's (name of spouse) and (name of child or children, or you can say "the kids"). One isn't expected to remember every detail, but at least acknowledge they exist.

[-] invie23@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I certainly care, and I know many people do, but it’s probably not in the way you think.

I care about these things proportional to how much I care about the individual who is sharing them and how meaningful it is to them, because by caring and engaging in their life it allows me to validate the positive emotions and experiences they have, and to experience some of those emotions myself.

A good example is like with children - if a child wants to tell me about a cool rock they found, or about their favorite game, I may have zero personal interest in that item but I am interested in connecting with the child emotionally and encouraging them to be passionate about things they enjoy. I directly enjoy that experience with them because of this. This same type of connection absolutely can carry over and apply to adults as well.

The word we use to explain this is empathy. Empathy is when you are able to not just recognize the emotions of another, but to sincerely feel some of those emotions vicariously. Not everybody experiences empathy the same way, or are capable of it to the same degree. That’s ok and empathic people often misunderstand those who struggle with empathy. But don’t assume that people expressing it are insincere.

[-] boreengreen@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

If i have somewhere else to be or am short on time, then yea, i cant wait for them to finish telling me whatever they are telling me. Otherwise i can usually challange them with some questions or Insights, to create a two way conversation. Sure, if the person is someone i dont know well, ill usually not ask questions, and i am indeed not interested.

[-] Acamon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It depends. Mostly I care, a new baby is a big deal, I think about how it will affect them, what the child might be like, the fact that I will probably still be spending time with that child in ten years.

Holidays I care if they're interesting. If someone goes somewhere I've always wanted to go I might have questions, if they've been somewhere I've been I might chat about what I liked. But when people try to tell you a detailed recount of some trip, it can be very boring. My parents are particularly bad at reminiscing together while notionally telling me, so they keep going "where was it we ate the second day? No that was the other place" it's awful. But it's a chance for them to feel happy about their holiday again, so I try to be patient, and I remember how many times my parents pretended to be interested as I explained how I was doing at some computer game or whatever.

But to answer your question, it sounds like you care less than most. But everyone cares less than the people who's life event it is. There's lots of scenes in comedies about people hating hearing about new babies, or being forced to look at holiday photos. So you're not alone!

[-] ultrahamster64@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I like when people tell me about good things they had, awesome stuff they experienced etc etc because for me their happiness and enthusiasm is contagious. If my friends are happy and sharing it with me, my mood also goes up. Maybe it's because hearing about good things gets your brain into thinking/remembering good things, or maybe it's just good to see your friends in high spirits and enthusiastic about something, I do not know.

But as the old saying goes, shared joy is a doubled joy, shared sorrow is a halfed sorrow

[-] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 3 points 1 day ago

I am on the spectrum. And no, i don't. And I don't think of it as being an asshole, I simply don't care about it because it just is something unimportant. I mean, if something bad happened to them, I'll be the first one to ask, but if they are telling me how nice was their trip it's like... well, yeah? It's expected. You make a trip to have a good time, so of course you had a good time.

I guess i consider it innecessary because is the expected outcome.

With that said, I will listen to what they say and remember it, but that doesn't mean I find it interesting unless there is something remarkable about it.

[-] Countess425@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Do you think everyone you talk to enjoys every aspect of the things you have to talk about? Do you appreciate that they listen?

[-] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 6 points 1 day ago

Honestly, I am not very talkative. I am bad at small talk so I rarely speak unless asked directly about something specific.

Because of this, I believe that if someone asks me about something, it's because they are interested in what I have to say about it.

To answer your question, I will not go to tell someone about my last trip unless they ask me about it because I consider that it's not that interesting to the others if (like I do) they are not asking about it.

[-] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 1 points 19 hours ago

Small talk is a skill that you must work on to get better at, which then makes it easier for you to be more talkative about your own passions. I used to be a quiet person who didn't like talking, especially small talk, but as I got older I realized life is way too short to hold myself back on forming connections, however minute they may be, and to share passions or experiences with others that may give me some ideas to further get the most of my own life simply by hearing how much fun or how cool this certain thing was. You can enrich yourself by others experiences.

[-] Countess425@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

It doesn't necessarily have to be about a trip you took. It could be about anything, even something you feel you were specifically asked about. Do you think the people who ask you about those things really care about the things you care about the same way you do and so they want to hear everything you have to say? Maybe they do, but it's really very rare for people to care about things the exact way anybody else does.

Just because somebody asked doesn't mean they care about the thing. A significant majority of the time people ask, and then actually listen, it's because they care about you, not any particular thing. And those people probably like to be heard just as much.

[-] bear@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 day ago

Depends on the friend. Some really do care and others are being polite and we may not always know the difference. Attitudes can change as well.

[-] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

I definately care some, although not enough that I want to sit through a photo slideshow or that. That said, if its just daily photos to a family group chat, or listening to them talk about a particular trip highlight, then I certainly enjoy it.

[-] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Depends on the event. I dont care for babies, but I'm happy for them if they go on a nice vacation and I might consider their destination for myself if they recommend it.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago
[-] bstix@feddit.dk 1 points 1 day ago

It gets easier to ask relevant questions when you have some experience in those things.

Regarding vacations, I like to ask about the nature of sights in the area. I'm not interested in what food was in the buffet or how many pools were at the hotel, but I would like to know if the area has anything of interest.

For people having babies, I like to ask questions about how they're going to handle it, just to check if they are on top of the situation or if they need help with anything.

[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, but this is what troubles me. It’s not that I don’t know what’s expected of me in these situations - I know how to play the game. I’m just not interested in it.

I do try to think about whether there’s anything even remotely interesting about what’s happened to them, and if so, I’ll ask about that. But in many cases, there’s not. Unless their vacation was to a place like North Korea, the most interesting part to me is what kind of plane they flew on and whether they found the baggage carousel mesmerizing.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 2 points 1 day ago

Well I mean, I am interested in knowing the things I ask. It's not just politeness.

Vacations are expensive. I appreciate any first hand information on places that I might potentially go to.

I already have kids, so my interest is mainly in sharing my own experiences to anyone willing to listen.

[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Absolutely not. I'd be surprised if anybody actually cares.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

That culture-wide, near impossible to appeal level of stuff you must care about or be an asshole is just the worst. You really lose something critical when you pretend, and everybody seems to be in a conspiracy to bust your hump if you don't play along.

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