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[-] local_taxi_fix@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago

Don't trust the liberals, they will betray you

[-] UltimateBlackComrade@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 11 months ago
[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Asking a communist for their vote in a liberal election has the same amount of efficacy as asking a child to write a letter to Santa

[-] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

This is the same kind of politics of resentment that splits anarchists and leninists. Not sure if I dig it

[-] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 64 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

limmy-what Liberals are not our allies and have historically proven ready and willing to jump to violent fascistic repression of any popular socialist movement. That includes the liberals who have appeared to be well meaning progressives. We can hope to educate and attract people away from liberalism, but any alliance is doomed from the start. Anarchists, Leninists, Maoists, any tendency of leftist should recognize this. Hell, opposition to liberals should unify them all at least temporarily!

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 37 points 11 months ago

opposition to liberals should unify them all at least temporarily!

Yeah this is the stage we are at and the page we should all be on so to speak.

[-] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

I just do not have an issue with the right wing of the DSA. Yknow?

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago

they're not very willing to look past electoralism to any other kind of politics, so they're neither useful allies nor particularly relevant to any projects I care about?

[-] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

Right, but I'm not worried about them like killing me during an uprising, yknow?

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago

yeah I guess. I have them firmly in the roll eyes and ignore category. they're not enemies but they're also not friends, y'know?

[-] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I'm not saying they're good, just that this kind of resentment towards them is unhealthy

[-] Walk_On@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

I'd argue it's more unhealthy to dismiss criticisms of liberals, talk down to people in this thread, and say that people rightfully calling them out is "politics of resentment".

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

Yeah I politically resent fascist collaborators. I would say it’s an extremely healthy habit.

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

I will have an unhealthy resentment against the ideology mine is built to dismantle

[-] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

The SPD killed all the Communists in the German revolution. Liberals are generally significantly to their Right.

[-] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago

I don’t have particular issue with them, just no faith lol. Rather I think the DSA in its membership spectrum from straight up lib, to socdem (lib), to some genuine commited leftists, can do good things on a more localized level.

However, I don’t believe most anyone in the right wing of the DSA will have our (committed anticapitalist leftists) backs when shit hits the fan. When it comes down to supporting the vulnerable, and those who actually work to protect and advocate for them, against the violent forces of capitalist repression? I don’t see a lot of radlibs that gather under the very broad DSA umbrella sticking with professed convictions when they’re tested. So many of these are the people who prioritized tone policing and decried property damage during the George Floyd uprisings. I have little faith in them.

The DSA is certainly a far sight better than most any major party or bloc in American politics, but that’s a pretty pathetically low bar to clear. Mostly, I just don’t think of them at all tho lol

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

Idk they're usually transphobic

[-] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago

That's fair, I don't see a lot of that in my chapter, but it's majority Marxist, so the right wing has to be better behaved. I forget that national leadership includes a cop and my idea of what "right wing" means is deeply skewed.

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

ban, just ban, nope

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 39 points 11 months ago

lmao I would hope there was a politics of resentment between socialists and fascists, liberals and anti-communtist "progressives"

Otherwise wtf is the point of our politics

[-] beautiful_boater@hexbear.net 33 points 11 months ago

Don't trust the Liberals, they will betray you. - patrick-lenin

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Both US parties are anti-lib anyway. The meme is just a jumble of words

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 53 points 11 months ago

Both US parties are anti-lib

I am begging liberals to please learn the meaning of words

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[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 31 points 11 months ago

Both US parties are anti-lib

limmy-what

Death to America

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago

liberalism is the dominant ideology of capitalism. neither US party is anti-lib because to be such is to be anticapitalist.

[-] Lols@lemm.ee 26 points 11 months ago

the US democratic party is an overwhelmingly liberal conservative party

[-] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

"Both parties are anti-lib" in truth means that they don't function the way that your fairy tales tell you they should, so you pretend they're not Liberal.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

This person is pretty strange. They consider themselves some sort of anarchist i think, but really care about the word liberal and insist that everyone else in the world but them is using it wrong because... shrug-outta-hecks

[-] quarrk@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They literally just invented a meaning of their own: Liberal = liberation from capitalist hierarchy

which is hilariously wrong, historically speaking

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

Yeah, since liberals invented the capitalist hierarchy. But somehow using words correctly is "capitalist apologia language" and the definition they invented is the one true leftist way of speaking

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago

Ignoring the betrayals, liberals don’t even offer me anything. First, they act as if socialists have major influence on the US’ destiny every time they fail. Like mother fucker, most of the country doesn’t vote. Are you telling me we’re all secretly communists?

They refuse to acknowledge that even if I compromised and voted for Hilary Clinton, that motherfucker would’ve still lost because the system allows like 5 random people to give the victory to someone else even if they’re unpopular by millions of votes.

Then, when they do get in office, they continue to fund the war machine, refuse to mobilize when the overturning of Roe was leaked, and diddled on their phones while everything turn to shit. They keep allowing conservatives to monopolize every conversation and tragedy and crisis. They choose the worse motherfuckers to be appointed to positions. No one can form a coherent sentence. Absolute morons.

[-] Crowtee_Robot@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago
[-] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago
[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Much of Latin America wasn’t even hardline communist. They just wanted peasants to have a slightly better standard of living, and the result? Literal stabbings in the back before being dragged to some dark basement and tortured to death by goons trained by Nazi refugees and the CIA

[-] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

Turning to hardline communism not from want but need.

[-] RagingGingivitis@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

i like that they made fascism the mother of liberalism

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