this post was submitted on 14 Sep 2023
146 points (100.0% liked)

memes

23328 readers
404 users here now

dank memes

Rules:

  1. All posts must be memes and follow a general meme setup.

  2. No unedited webcomics.

  3. Someone saying something funny or cringe on twitter/tumblr/reddit/etc. is not a meme. Post that stuff in /c/slop

  4. Va*sh posting is haram and will be removed.

  5. Follow the code of conduct.

  6. Tag OC at the end of your title and we'll probably pin it for a while if we see it.

  7. Recent reposts might be removed.

  8. Tagging OC with the hexbear watermark is praxis.

  9. No anti-natalism memes. See: Eco-fascism Primer

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

limmy-what Liberals are not our allies and have historically proven ready and willing to jump to violent fascistic repression of any popular socialist movement. That includes the liberals who have appeared to be well meaning progressives. We can hope to educate and attract people away from liberalism, but any alliance is doomed from the start. Anarchists, Leninists, Maoists, any tendency of leftist should recognize this. Hell, opposition to liberals should unify them all at least temporarily!

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago

opposition to liberals should unify them all at least temporarily!

Yeah this is the stage we are at and the page we should all be on so to speak.

[–] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I just do not have an issue with the right wing of the DSA. Yknow?

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

they're not very willing to look past electoralism to any other kind of politics, so they're neither useful allies nor particularly relevant to any projects I care about?

[–] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Right, but I'm not worried about them like killing me during an uprising, yknow?

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yeah I guess. I have them firmly in the roll eyes and ignore category. they're not enemies but they're also not friends, y'know?

[–] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah, I'm not saying they're good, just that this kind of resentment towards them is unhealthy

[–] Walk_On@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd argue it's more unhealthy to dismiss criticisms of liberals, talk down to people in this thread, and say that people rightfully calling them out is "politics of resentment".

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Yeah I politically resent fascist collaborators. I would say it’s an extremely healthy habit.

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

I will have an unhealthy resentment against the ideology mine is built to dismantle

[–] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

The SPD killed all the Communists in the German revolution. Liberals are generally significantly to their Right.

[–] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago

I don’t have particular issue with them, just no faith lol. Rather I think the DSA in its membership spectrum from straight up lib, to socdem (lib), to some genuine commited leftists, can do good things on a more localized level.

However, I don’t believe most anyone in the right wing of the DSA will have our (committed anticapitalist leftists) backs when shit hits the fan. When it comes down to supporting the vulnerable, and those who actually work to protect and advocate for them, against the violent forces of capitalist repression? I don’t see a lot of radlibs that gather under the very broad DSA umbrella sticking with professed convictions when they’re tested. So many of these are the people who prioritized tone policing and decried property damage during the George Floyd uprisings. I have little faith in them.

The DSA is certainly a far sight better than most any major party or bloc in American politics, but that’s a pretty pathetically low bar to clear. Mostly, I just don’t think of them at all tho lol

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Idk they're usually transphobic

[–] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

That's fair, I don't see a lot of that in my chapter, but it's majority Marxist, so the right wing has to be better behaved. I forget that national leadership includes a cop and my idea of what "right wing" means is deeply skewed.

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

ban, just ban, nope