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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Simple. People desire to own what they pay for, and they prefer not having to hear their neighbors partying, arguing, fighting, fucking, etc.

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[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago (14 children)

A lot of people in this thread are mistaking the map for the territory. Like yes, obviously neither the development on the right, or the left would actually happen in real life, because why are these people even on the island? What do they eat? What do they drink? Where do they work? The sole statement of the graphic is that dense developments have a reduced impact on nature compared to sparse developments. Discussing the logistics would exceed what can be conveyed by such a format.

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[–] MBM@lemmings.world 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Dang, Lemmy really is misanthrope central

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[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Neither have water, so neither?

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 8 points 1 month ago

Obviously the blue part is land

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Counterpoint: they didn't need to clear all the trees, or at the very least, they could have replaced them with more native trees once they were done building. I'm not gonna pretend that houses don't cause a ton of environmental destruction, but imo they really don't have to continue to be destructive long-term; they do it because people usually go with the lowest bidder.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Counterpoint: they didn’t need to clear all the trees

You're not laying plumbing and electric through an old growth forest. The roots of those trees won't allow it. You've got to clear the whole lot and then replant.

they could have replaced them with more native trees

That would require a local nursery specializing in the cultivation of native plants at the scale the developer requires. At the industrial level, its easier to just ship in some stock variants, whether they work locally or not.

From an ecological level, it is easier to simply not break things than it is to fix them afterwards. Stripping the soil and resodding it, tearing up all the old plants and replanting, and kicking out the native wildlife for years at a time isn't in any way conducive to ecological preservation.

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[–] retrolasered@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

*slaps cheap cladding

"This cladding can burn and kill so many people so well"

(Genuinely though, Grenfell was ridiculously tragic, and its disgusting how making decisions to cut costs and be cheap cost lives, I mean in no way to be mocking that. I'm sorry for any losses you may have incurred in such a tragedy yourself.)

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[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

We all know that soon enough, the center of the island will be filled with cheap appartement blocks, and all the beaches and access to water will be owned by rich people with huge houses.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 month ago

There is so much possible between these. Both options suck.

Different families have different needs.

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Why build up when we can build down to utilize geothermal. Under ground houses saves nature!

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[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago (6 children)

my only gripe with apartments is that people are too fucking stupid to sort their garbage and recycling according to the giant fucking posters in the garbage room.

and strata vote manipulation to make idiotic changes that benefit nobody that actually lives there, while never fixing anything that breaks.

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[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I could get behind this if I could continue yelling just for the fun of it and have a space for a decent workshop

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You could go out to the middle of the forest and yell, would disturb less people that way anyway.

You could also have a community workshop in the basement like how a lot of buildings have gyms these days. Similar to gyms it would probably have more machines as well since the cost can be spread out. You probably can't justify buying a lathe for one project but a lathe for a whole apartment block makes more sense.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The community workshop would be shut down by the insurance company within a year.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (10 children)

so many people in comments need fucking therapy. idolizing atomization and misanthropy and then wondering why the world has gone to shit. "fuck other people and their children" Andys wondering how fascism is on the rise and why people do mass shootings. it's you. the only difference is you haven't pulled the trigger yet. get help.

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[–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 month ago

This thread is an object lesson in why the whole world hates Americans.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

For those complaining about noise in apartments: in my experience apartment dwellers are quite considerate and when living in an apartment I never had any major noise problems.

Now that I live in a single home let me tell you about the noise of neighbours mowing their lawns, constant noisy renovations etc. and in general a lot more car noise.

Quite honestly, it was more quiet in the apartments that I lived before.

Edit: and besides, I think people are confusing apartments with the real cause: housing areas with low socio-economic status tend to be more noisy. Correlation is not causation and all that...

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[–] capital@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Only if the apartment has very strict noise and smoking rules that are actually enforced.

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