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[-] lengau@midwest.social 64 points 3 days ago

My city had ranked choice voting implemented by Democrats in the 1970s. They elected the first black mayor, who is still one of our most beloved mayors in the city's history, under RCV.

Then Republicans made it illegal at a state level when they had a trifecta. Democrats keep introducing bills at the state level to allow RCV, and Republicans take more and more drastic action against it. So yeah... I want more Democrats in my state government so we can have RCV.

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[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 22 points 3 days ago
[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

To the surprise of nobody Republicans also don't support a voting system that would end the Democrat-Republican duopoly.

[-] Euphorazine@lemmy.world 86 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Alaska, a red state, is reportedly trying to remove their rank choice voting. This isn't a "Dems" problem, it's a two party problem.

https://ballotpedia.org/Alaska_Ballot_Measure_2,_Repeal_Top-Four_Ranked-Choice_Voting_Initiative_(2024)

Even if state and local elections are ranked choice, the presidential election will still be a first past the post election and the electoral college is still designed for a two party system.

[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 28 points 4 days ago

Obviously the Republicans are completely hostile to rcv, but the nominal progressives here aren't hoping the Republicans will implement rcv, they think Dems will. I have someone arguing exactly that to me in another thread because three congresspeople are currently setting a proposal up to be shot down.

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[-] antmzo220@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Alaska, a red state, is reportedly trying to remove their rank choice voting. This isn't a "Dems" problem, it's a two party problem.

This is a counter to the Democratic party supporters you see everywhere who always get irrationally upset at third party voters, not about Republicans.

The point is, if the Democratic party never plan to address it, then how will it ever get done through voting Dem? The same goes for all the other issues people claim we should ignore in the name of "vote blue no matter who", including their genocide.

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[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 59 points 4 days ago

Right on. Once the republicans have enough of a majority they will deal with all these voting problems.

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[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 58 points 4 days ago

Someone's unwillingness to implement an effective solution doesn't make an ineffective solution the answer.

The way forward on this is hounding them until they implement it, not fighting the math:

https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 days ago

If a solution doesn't have a realistic path to implementation, it doesn't matter. The system itself is designed against change, RCV is something neither party actually wants.

Some few Democrats or states are allowed to support it as far as it gives RCV supporters some semblence of power, without actually pressuring the system.

Even if RCV was implemented, and a Third Party candidate won, the 2 establishment parties would work against any radical change.

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[-] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 57 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
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[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

The Dems will preserve a political model that's at least malleable. 3rds will need to work together to push ranked choice more and more into voters' field of view.

Republicans will swan-dive into fascism, in which case 3rds (and everyone else) are fucked.

Dems aren't going to help 3rds directly, but any one who wants the possibility of a 3rd party victory later is committing political suicide by failing to vote blue as a means of buying time. Voting 3rd when that 3rd has no potential for victory is self-destructive.

[-] isaaclw@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Also just following the green party a bit and educating your self about them... you learn that the green party is as focused on selfish personal horse race politics that deals with power plays, as the dem party (though on a smaller scale) instead of actual change.

This political cycle, Green party had a chance to radically push the Dems on palestine, by putting up a candidate that would drop out if Dems changed their position on support for Israel.

Jill Stein rejected it.

Just the fact they rejected it shows to me that they're not serious about actual political change. They just want to be a spoiler. They continue to only run in general elections instead ofnpushing in states.

So I guess i have no home party, but Ill vote for the lesser of two evils still.

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[-] Corvid@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago
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[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 20 points 4 days ago

New York City established Ranked Choice voting in 2020 under a Dem Mayor and majority Dem City Council.

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