We actually won Florida. Scalia bum rushed the SCOTUS to shut down the count before we found out. Helped along by Roger Stone and that republican State Elections lady.
If only Al Gore had known there are zero consequences for telling everyone to trash the Congressional building.
what does this have to do with being anti-genocide?
It has nothing to do with it. It’s a straw-man argument. You could do the same kind of misdirection by comparing the number of US-related foreign conflicts under Trump vs Obama + Biden, and that wouldn’t prove anything either. The fact remains that a large portion of Kamala’s constituency wants an arms embargo and those people are being completely ignored.
Instead we get these astro-turf memes. Political marketing sure is wild this cycle
Above all else I'm pro-civilian. When October 7th happened I was pro-civilian. When Israel began indiscriminately bombing Gaza killing 3-4 civilians for every Hamas in the best case scenario I was pro-civilian then, too.
Naturally if you have a paper-cut in one place and an arterial bleed elsewhere your time is best served focusing on the arterial bleed.
Does this change the fact that I think it's silly to protest Biden and Harris directly and misses the bigger picture of this election relative to the risk of wedge-driving Democrats and letting the guy in who won't even try to stop tie bleeding? No.
Anyone advocating for Palestinians is better served finding pro-Israeli voters and showing them the brutality of the IDF. When you then see a movement in the public polls, you'll see a movement in policy & platform.
Anyone advocating for Palestinians is better served finding pro-Israeli voters and showing them the brutality of the IDF.
I worry that showing the brutality of the IDF would actually encourage those voters to double down because they like what they see. Perhaps a better way is show the humanity of the Palestinian civilians.
I think PBS NewsHour has been doing a stellar job at this. They recently highlighted the father who lost his twins and his wife in a bombing. They then interviewed an American pediatrician who volunteered in Gaza. It certainly humanizes them.
I'd also remind them that IDF is so incompetent that they've killed more aid workers in this conflict than any conflict previously... Even when there is directly coordination with IDF command as instructed. They've even killed their own hostages who had their hands raised, unarmed, and with a white flag.
It's astounding. I'd never really fallen for the "IDF MOST MORAL ARMY IN THE WORLD" shit ever since I became interested in politics as a teen, but I took it for granted that they were at least somewhat competent, if gruesome. Turns out, no, they're both gruesomely immoral AND gruesomely incompetent.
I’d also remind them that IDF is so incompetent that they’ve killed more aid workers in this conflict than any conflict previously… Even when there is directly coordination with IDF command as instructed. They’ve even killed their own hostages who had their hands raised, unarmed, and with a white flag.
The incompetence goes even further as of May of this year 278 IDF were killed by friendly fire. I can only imagine that friendly fire death list has increase since the May reporting. The IDF seems to be shooting anything that moves, friend or foe.
The IDF didn't kill aid workers on accident. I refuse to believe that all, or most, are accidental with the number of absolute noncombatants (journos, aid workers, etc) that have been illegally killed (killing press workers and aid workers deliberately is a war crime).
Like others have said, it's a feature, not a bug. They're not incompetent - they know who they're killing AND DON'T REALLY CARE.
Yeah I'm sure repeatedly saying that Trump is gonna be worse over and over is gonna win over the Palestinian-Americans who's families are still in the region and will continue to be at risk for being killed if nothing is done. And with everyone saying this election will be close leaving those votes on the table and just expecting them to follow along cause at least the Democrats won't directly get involved seems like a bad strategy.
This assumes that the protesters won't vote for Harris come election time.
Protests are important - especially obnoxious, inconvenient ones. If Harris and the general public can't ignore the protesters, Harris is more likely to act on the protested issue instead of sidestepping it.
If you actually think Trump will be better for Palestine than Kamela... you either don't know he literally moved Israeli government buildings to Palestine owned territory or you have brain worms
You don't even need to go that far, the guy literally said that Israel is going to slow...
He also repealed a law that prevented Israeli settlements on occupied Palestinian territory. Netanyahu was so grateful, he named a settlement after Trump in Golan Heights.
You seem to be under the utterly idiotic impression, that pro-palistinians will vote for Trump, someone who will continue to kill Palestinians. You are saying that just because people want one candidate to be better, and stop committing genocide, that they will vote for someone who will worsen the genocide. Almost all pro-palistinians are still voting for Harris, they just want her to pledge to stop a genocide that the US government is aiding. There is no logical process for you to have used to reach this idea. You are simply a zionist looking for approval.
Yeah, wtf, I thought I was going crazy reading this post. Palestinian protesters aren't going to vote for Trump, and them protesting the DNC is not going to increase his chances of winning.
They should keep protesting and putting pressure on the Democratic party. They should vote for Harris, but keep up the pressure, and not listen to people like OP.
Also, imagine thinking that Palestinian protestors are doing it to feel superior. They're doing it because their tax dollars have gone toward a genocide that has thus far killed 40k people. They have no choice that their money goes toward this shit. They should not have to think about whether their protest will hurt an election campaign, nor should they care. They care that their country (even when there is a Democratic president) is arming a genocide and doesn't seem like it has much plans to stop.
Looked at your profile, mostly genocide apologia. Wow, I'm so shocked.
They're also protesting the republicans, but don't let facts get in the way of you trying to tell everyone that you're superior to people protesting genocide. 😉
Imagine thinking anything would have been different had a Democrat been at the helm when 9/11 happened. Trying to ridicule people of conscience will regularly not go how you expect.
It's actually theorized that Bush being ultimately elected was what caused 9/11 to slip past the usual degree of scrutiny already in place.
The delay in beginning the transition process from Bush suing over the recounts meant that the usual reports on the plans that had been uncovered weren't delivered until whoever had gotten them would be having to prioritize what to look at, and Bush is not famous for his ability to prioritize well.
Had Gore Won, there's a non zero chance he could have been riding into the midterm election cycle on having stopped what would have been the most catastrophic attack on America since Pearl Harbor.
tldr: they support the Palestinian genocide because it will stop global warming(see below for "details")
this is a bad post.
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what's your math here?
pro-palestinian protesters vote republican? or don't vote?
i don't see the line you're trying to draw.
The IDF is concluding a genocide that most countries have been complicit in for decades.
people are upset about that and protesting.
you're not making any sense.
UPDATE: this is their math they gave me:
Apparently the hope of OP is that if the genocide against Palestine can be completed, global warming won't be so bad in a few decades.
Not a great post.
OP is making fun of some of the actors here on Lemmy who will go "I won't vote for genocide! I'm voting 3rd party!" Which because of America's broken ass electoral system, will absolutely let Trump win, and we end up with a new Bush + Iraq 2.0, as 3rd party candidates basically helped give Bush the presidency by 200 votes and kicked off two decades of fucking bullshit and ridiculously bad climate policies that will only get worse. Vs Harriss who has thrown a lot of support behind legit climate policies
It's a really obtuse way of posting a "congratulations you played yourself" meme at single issue 3rd party voters
Oh kay, thanks.
I appreciate you shedding some light on the thought process here.
for W, I'd point a lot more to the Supreme Court allowing Florida(run by Ws brother) to stop counting votes again because W was about to lose the count again before I'd blame 3rd party voters.
And gerrymandering.
And voter disqualification/obfuscation.
literally wheeling away voting machines on election day too.
Nah, people voted who they voted for, and that's their right.
there's plenty of much more significant factors to point at without denigrating the right to vote.
and I'm not railing at you, i appreciate the context.
And first past the post voting system which makes any 3rd party other than the biggest 2 parties a troll
great point, fptp can get outta here
yeah all the same its because all of the things you would blame that we can't have republicans have any more power at all and we need to make them extinct from the political landscape. Those blame issues are getting worse when they are in office so we need literally 100% effort to not have them in office.
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