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[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 146 points 3 months ago

Fuck Apple. They deserve 0%.

[-] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 134 points 3 months ago

Why does patreon even need to be an app? What value does the app bring that the website can't deliver?

[-] astanix@lemmy.world 81 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There are a lot of people out there that will not use a website and only use an app for things. I'm willing to bet there's some users of patreon on ios that don't even know there is a website.

[-] 100@fedia.io 71 points 3 months ago

lots of people caught mobile brain rot

[-] zorrothefox2001@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago
[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 months ago

Is it? A native mobile application (not a web view/PWA) will always be massively better as a user experience than anything a website can provide.

People who use apps do so because they've learned from experience that an app is far better UX than the website version, and they're not always right, but they're not wrong most of the time.

If anything, web apps are the real modernity brainrot.

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[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 29 points 3 months ago

OnlyFans doesn't have an app but they're still in business. We must educate people about not relying on apps for everything.

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[-] yoshisaur@lemm.ee 26 points 3 months ago

definitely. i know so many people from my school who’s iphone home screen is just… pages full of apps. we’re talking 40+ apps on average. they always say it’s weird how i use a website for almost everything, and then they complain about their storage space :/

[-] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

I tend to use whatever has the best user experience. I don't use a browser for lemmy as an example.

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[-] Mbourgon@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Notifications of new content are nice.

[-] exu@feditown.com 14 points 3 months ago

There's this ancient standard called email

[-] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 months ago

There's also web push. You can send push notifications straight to someone's browser, no need for a dedicated app anymore. Not sure if patreon has implemented this, but they could if they wanted to.

[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 6 points 3 months ago

RSS is better suited for this.

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[-] kirk781@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 months ago

Does this mean Patreon too will have two tiers of billing system: standard billing via the Web and slightly higher prices if done in app. I think if one purchases a YouTube Premium membership in app on iOS, it costs more than when done via the site.

[-] faercol@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 months ago

Yes, that's exactly what they're doing. If you have a Patreon, you must choose between increasing patreon price on Apple specifically compared to Android and Web, or you can keep the price the same, in which case you will earn less from users using iOS in-app purchase

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[-] Tilgare@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

Background play of exclusive podcasts for one thing. I suppose that might be possible in a browser but playing media from a media player app instead of a browser is certainly going to be a better experience.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Just offer file downloads. I swear the society is regressing technologically speaking (not aiming at you OP)

[-] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Every podcast I support on Patreon provides a link that you can plug into your podcatcher to subscribe. I don’t need the Patreon app to listen to the podcast then, just Pocket Casts or whatever I’m using for all my podcasts.

Even the video links are YouTube links.

I don’t doubt that the app makes life easier in some ways, but the website works just fine.

[-] Tilgare@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

The main shows definitely that is the case for me as well - but there are also Patreon exclusive audio releases that don't go out on the rss feed for Morning, Somewhere for instance. I also follow shows with exclusive video releases on Patreon that don't ever go to YouTube and I still get the benefit of a dedicated media app with background play.

[-] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

They should just take the route BandCamp takes and tell you to go to the website to make purchases

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[-] spiderman@ani.social 7 points 3 months ago

PWA should be the way. As long as the website is mobile responsive, PWA should be preferred in cases like this.

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[-] ohlaph@lemmy.world 70 points 3 months ago

I thought Apple lost this war already?

[-] RangerJosie@sffa.community 56 points 3 months ago

A few times. But the old man don't seem to learn.

[-] themurphy@lemmy.ml 26 points 3 months ago

They lost it in the EU, but did it change for the rest of the world? Can't really read from the article what region they are talking about.

[-] JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

They'll hinge their position on the least good faith interpretation of EU's anticompetitive lawsuits, and why wouldn't they, they make more money in between these lawsuits than they pay EU for breaking the rules.

[-] recursive_recursion@programming.dev 48 points 3 months ago

Grats to Patreon and/or the EU for the easy payday🎉

[-] sundray@lemmus.org 39 points 3 months ago

Hold up (fta):

By this November, all creators can only offer a subscription-based plan on iOS as the app store doesn't support other formats, such as first-of-the-month or per-creation plans. As a result, Patreon is rolling out a 16-month-long migration process that will shift all memberships to subscriptions by November 2025. At that point, subscription-based plans will be the only option available, unfortunately proving Apple's far-reaching power.

I'm unclear on what this means: is Patreon eliminating first-of-the-month and per-creation plans on ALL platforms? Or just on Apple platforms?

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 31 points 3 months ago

THIS is why we hate Apple. Their bullshit affects EVERYONE. There is no "don't like it don't use it" with these people.

[-] Manalith@midwest.social 12 points 3 months ago

Seems like it's a backend change and they're removing per creation entirely. Got an email from one of the creators I follow about getting suggestions on how to restructure their tiers for the new system. My guess is it would be tricky to setup a way to have creators do android/web tiers and apple tiers, not to mention confusing. And of course they can't just pull a Spotify and have a pop-up that says 'sorry you must use the web to subscribe' on iPhones.

[-] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 3 points 3 months ago

Because using a web browser is soo 1994

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 points 3 months ago

They removed this feature from web browsers too. Not just the app.

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[-] Ravi@feddit.org 34 points 3 months ago

Easy solution: the app only redirects you to the website via browser intent.

[-] hahattpro@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago

That is no good with Apple policy.

App cannot tell user that they get better deal anywhere.

[-] nintendiator@feddit.cl 2 points 3 months ago

So wait, Apple effectively mandates that users of their store lie to their users? Wonder if that's something that can be tackled legally.

[-] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 37 points 3 months ago

From my understanding, thats also very much not allowed on the app store, and is something they check for.

[-] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Get this, they don't allow that either. There are multiple clips from LTT talking about dumb things like this that Apple doesn't allow

[-] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Apple needs to be regulated

[-] NathanClayton@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Why don't they just do what Kindle does? Say that you can no longer subscribe from the application and to subscribe from the site?

[-] Tire@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago

Apple has explicit rules against redirecting customers to other sites for payment. I think they have a special deal with Amazon for that wording.

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago

stop using apple products people

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