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[–] ElGosso@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You missed the best line:

However, please keep this in mind - that being a Nazi sympathizer does not automatically invalidate one's opinions on other topics.

"Um, ackshually, that's an ad hominem smuglord "

[–] aebletrae@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

It's particularly interesting that someone concerned enough with logical fallacies to complain of ad hominem attacks can have "[he may be a Nazi sympathizer but let's listen to what else he has to say]" happily coexist with "[Some Hexbears say mean things so no one should listen to anything else that any of them have to say]".

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

They deleted my post pointing that out because ”Please don't post memes in this community”.

🤓 Well, ackshually I posted the Hitler detector emote, and emotes aren't memes.

[–] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What's with people calling insults "ad hominem attacks"?

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

reddit debate pervert brain

[–] PeoplesRepublicOfNewEngland@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You called me a redditor that's... that's gaslighting!

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

Phallic fallacy

[–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 2 points 2 years ago

Someone explained fallacies to them years ago and that's the one they can remember

[–] Stoatmilk@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

Love to catalogue and publish a list of all the times I got owned

[–] axont@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I actually felt kind of bad for that person. They seem like an obsessive with an unhealthy internet habit. Like I thought we were terminally online? I've never once collected a screenshot album of grievances.

Folks, do yourself a favor and go outside occasionally.

[–] ElGosso@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

I solemnly swore to never log off rat-salute

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The internetbro logical fallacy revolution and its consequences has been a disaster for human discourse.

This is not a formal debate so drop the pretense already.

Also note that labelling a Nazi sympathiser as "a defender of fascism" is not an ad hominem, that's a description. Just because you personally object to the label doesn't mean that therefore it's a logical fallacy.

Also note that there's no generally logical proposition in the statement of opinions. "I don't like mint icecream" could very well be considered an ad hominem against mint icecream by these clowns because anything they disagree with which is a statement of opinion counts as a logical fallacy in their eyes.

But if there's a layperson's discussion going on then the notion that the "debate" is focused on a particular topic and all responses must find themselves within the limits of that topic is, frankly, nonsense.

Yes, introducing your dislike for mint icecream to a discussion about politics is irrelevant but there's absolutely no need to use fancy logic terms like "red herring fallacy" when you can just say "that's not relevant" instead.

Likewise, throwing out a term like "ad hominem" is just a description and it's as useful as saying "that's an insult". Except it's way more pretentious and it provides the person who deploys that term with an inflated sense of purpose and logical correctness that saying "You insulted me" or "I disagree with your opinion" does not.

Imagine if these people decided to lose the pretense and got called a nerd then just responded with "that's an insult". Like, yeah, bro - congrats on figuring that out all by yourself, I guess?

The sooner that people lose "ad hominem" from their vocabulary, the better imo.
(Although on the other hand it's a wonderful red flag for indicating that you're dealing with a pompous, self-aggrandising dickbag who wants to exert complete control over the discussion, so maybe that term actually does have a good use for general discussions after all...)

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Additionally, an ad hominem isn't actually an insult. They aren't the same thing at all.

An ad hominem means "You are wrong because of who you are." I.e. "You are wrong because you are an idiot."

An ad hominem is not just a general insult. "You are wrong because of XYZ and also you are an idiot." is not an ad hominem.

"Fuck you" also isn't an ad hominem or an argument, it is just an insult.

These guys don't even bother to understand the things they always accuse their opponents of doing.

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

😔 a result of a declining and massively underfunded k-12 curriculum that doesn’t include critical thinking in the core.

Seriously, bring back basic logic at the high school level wtf

[–] motherofmonsters@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

These are all good insults. Not a Reddit portmanteau anywhere.

[–] MultigrainCerealista@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not one is an ableist slur either, except maybe for impotence. Good guy Hexbear.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Impotent can definitely refer to how political useless and ineffective liberalism is without any medical connotation.

[–] MultigrainCerealista@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah honestly that’s why I said maybe.

It’s a bit chicken and egg to me, in terms of ableism.

Do we call infertile men “impotent” because they lack power? The Latin root of potencia (I don’t know Latin but I know Spanish) suggests that’s the case.

So a lib who lacks power, calming their sense of alienation by rage posting on Reddit… yes they are impotent.

After going through that exercise I don’t think it is ableist but the other angel on the other shoulder says if I need to explore the concept that much then maybe it was ableist all along.

I have an open mind and I am interested in further opinion on this.

Is calling someone impotent, as in “powerless”, an ableist slur due to the fact impotent is also used as an insult for men who cannot get someone pregnant or occasionally for men who suffer erectile disfunction?

The etymological argument coupled with the fact laughing at the erectile function of cis men is kind of “punching up” makes me feel like we are gucci.

Thoughts?

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

yeah, it means powerless. the erectile dysfunction thing is a euphemism and kind of a gross one (power = impregnation)

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Please refer to the time Abe Lincoln bullied a political opponent to tears with ad hominem attacks during an official debate.

[–] Char@mander.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

Maybe try not being a disingenuous condescending western imperialist nazi apologist?

Really says it all by the focus on “winning”. Doesn’t even care what is right or using different viewpoints to get to the truth of a matter. That’s explicitly engaging in bad faith.

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

yelling out names of logical fallacies while waving my magic wand around

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

This tracks if you ignore the part where they completely ignore all the good faith responses from us and just regurgitate the same thought-terminating cliches over and over again until the end of time.

[–] ennemi@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

tag yourself, I'm freak/nerd

[–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'll take condescending dickbag

[–] ennemi@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What is a dickbag though, is it a bag full of dicks, or is it a dick that's a bag, or is it a bag that's shaped like a dick,

[–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 1 points 2 years ago

Truly, a question for the ages

[–] Venus@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

I like to believe it's a lil bag used to carry one dick. But I think the intention is many dicks all jumbled up and flopping around

[–] jungekatz@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean where is the lie ? Call a spade a spade ??

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The lie is that the insults are used in place of an actual argument.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If they want an actual argument in return they should say something worthwhile.

If they're just gonna post a link to the cia's website saying socialism is bad and all the times we support fascists was good, this is what they're gonna get.

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, plenty of comrades on this site spend way too much effort engaging in good faith with disingenuous liberals wandering through here

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i'm absolutely begging for the linkeroni

(i know this isn't the dunk tank, but this is amazing)

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

dw found it

also, unfortunately i recognise this "person" and their posts

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago