Original post is def spot on though.
The modern homeschool movement is born out of an attempt to stop the kids from realizing being traded as brood stock like their parents' property to make business with their friends over is bullshit.
Also just so parents can choose the “truth” they are teaching kids. That’s how you get uneducated racists and the like
Selective education with extreme bias is dangerous in almost every instance. Usually with a large dose of fanatical religion thrown in.
As someone who was home-schooled, I absolutely agree with Cosmonaut Star. I dodged the alt-right insanity of modern homeschooling, but I got the "okay sit here and do learning unsupervised for a while" treatment after I turned 11 or 12. Prior to then I feel like my parents did an okay job at making sure I was keeping up with normal kids and taking me to social gatherings and stuff, but that just gradually slipped away the older I got. I feel like I'm still unpacking mental baggage from basically not having a life in my teens.
Thank fuck I got into self-hosting, networking, and Linux/BSD stuff in general as a hobby otherwise I would have zero marketable skills for a job.
My mom wasn't a alt-right wingnut, thankfully. But she kept me homeschooled despite me asking for regular schooling because she wanted the enabling of abuse. A child who could tell a teacher what she was saying to me was a threat to her. I didn't go to any schooling beyond some 1st grade, and then she forced me into college when she grew tired of abusing me, until I ran out of support venues and she dragged me back to home.
One homework thing my thought was to just read comic panels from Sunday newspapers archived online. That's it. I was given old "general knowledge" books but never anything in depth of any study. I had to learn fields from parsing google and Wikipedia, even if she allowed the use of a computer.
I'm sure there's some legitimate use cases for homeschooling, especially for children who are immune compromised. But I've never heard of a happy story of homeschooling, lord knows I'm not one of them. I was held back socially and education wise from my peers, even with my skills.
At the very very least, there should be a way for the state to enforce regular homeschooling standards. Track what grade the kids should be on, how they are doing, and then also economic aid for those who do.
But my personal experience with homeschooling is that it's never for the betterment of the child, it's always to enable abuse and submission of the child to the parent. Because new ideas are scary to the parent, and new ideas allow new ways of thinking that the parent didn't want the child to do.
I'm biased as hell, but when you're trapped with someone who beats you for a learning disability that would have been accommodated for in a public school that you as a 14 year old asked for, it leaves an impression on you.
I follow a few YouTube channels of people who live on sailboats and travel the world full-time, and some of them have kids. Having a transient lifestyle like that seems like one of the few relatively legitimate excuses for homeschooling, to me.
Having a transient lifestyle like that sounds like you shouldn't have children, at least to me.
Maybe not outright illegal, but I think it should be heavily regulated. I've heard way too many stories of kids being raised in isolation and barely being taught even basic math under the guise of homeschooling.
Homeschooling is allowed in my country, but they have to take exams in front of a jury to prove they have been properly schooled.
barely being taught even basic math under the guise of homeschooling.
yah that was me.
There was no actual "schooling" it was just a cover-story so people didn't pry and learn that my parents were too crazy/drunk/high/delusional to properly raise children. The first couple decades of my life I basically just wandered in the desert alone around my parent's "religious compound" a couple hours from the nearest town and tried to get my hands on any actual scientific or rational reading material that extended family members managed to smuggle in.
It had disastrous impact on my adult life. I did go to school later and excelled and soared through AP college classes... but with my life so handicapped from the start, I was unable to continue higher education due to poverty, unable to land a stable career, and worst of all, severe depression and anxiety from the CPTSD of basically spending 20 years of my most important developmental years isolated with two toxic, hateful, abusive parents and literally NOBODY else. I became non-verbal for years, people thought I was autistic. I have been in and out of therapy, on and off meds, and have had long, extended struggles with substance abuse, depression so bad I can't move some days, and thoughts of self-harm.
My parents were absolutely convinced that biblical prophecy was real and was about to be fulfilled, they saw themselves as actual prophets or chosen ones that would play a part in the coming apocalypse, and for years of my life I was also convinced that I was part of some greater destiny.
Fast forward through my adult life, and I'm clearing out my parent's belongings after they drank themselves to death, wondering what the fuck happened and what my real future is going to look like. Do you think AI is going to replace grocery baggers? Because I fully see myself at 80 bagging groceries.
My brother and sisiter-in-law briefly did "homeschooling" with their kids. I put the word in scare quotes because it wasn't what people normally think of when they consider homeschooling. It was actually a private school which the kids went to four days a week and then one day a week the parents guided the kids at home through a lesson plan prepared by the school. The only point of this was that it allowed the school to hire non-accredited and non-union teachers since it was ostensibly homeschooling and not a normal school.
At least it saved the parents money, right? Ha ha nope! Still expensive as shit - like $30K per year per kid.
I think this model of education is damaging to kids and the government should do something about it
I'm going to train my kids to fucking kill you
Most normal libertarian response
What's more libertarian than a good old fashioned southern lynching?
Knowing the age of consent in every jurisdiction.
This is so accurate
I always used to think i deserved to be hung. As i get older it matters less
Very sad when libertarians (i.e. republicans that are too cowardly to publicly own that they are republicans) get burned so bad and don't have a collectively funded community Fire Department or public roads where anyone could travel to put out the fire.
Libertarians believe that they should have the benefits of society, without any of the responsibilities that come with it.
They're house cats.
"I don't want a way to abuse children."
Liberatarians: YOU HATE MY FREEDOM TO DO WHAT I PLEASE WITH A MINOR!
Every time without issue, libertarians prove why everyone laughs at them and no one takes them seriously.
As libertarian is someone who knows the price of everything, the value of nothing, and the age of consent in every jurisdiction.
I personally don't believe that home schooling should be illegal. It's not my jam, but don't want it to be illegal....but holy shit that response escalated quickly. Libertarians are triggered idiots.
The big issue with homeschooling, is it is largely used as a tool for brainwashing and creating extremists...
It is illegal where I live and I do think it's a good idea for it to continue to be that way.
Aside from the obvious problem with actually learning children, one important part of school is for society to check if the children are well.
Free lunch for everyone is provided every school day, in fact it's illegal to not provide free lunch. So it's also a good way to make sure all children at least get a minimum amount of food each day even if they don't get any at home.
If the children can "learn" at home the rest of society would have no idea if they for example starve or are abused. It's much harder to hide abuse if the children are forced to go to school each day with teachers that are educated on how to spot signs of abuse. It's also great for children to make friends and not be insulated.
Yes, school isn't perfect due to stuff like bullying but that should be solved in other ways.
Also it teaches children how yo socialise and live with other people.
This is super important if you want to like have a society bigger thay your family.
Homeschooling is so stupid in all its ways.
I think they got a point though. I think homeschooling should be illegal and I'm hung. 🪘🪘🥁 😏
Hanging, for an opinion? That seems pretty un-libertarian, doesn't it?
There's a pretty interesting book about New Hampshire libertarians called "A Libertarian Walks into a Bear". It's about a libertarian utopia that was overrun by bears.
There are some good articles about it too. It was part of their attempt to turn the state of New Hampshire into a "free state" run on libertarian principles.
Turns out libertarian principles included not picking up garbage in bear country.
Also, some of the geniuses were actively feeding the bears.
Maybe I'm just cynical but literally nothing surprised me in the book.
Nut jobs with guns? Check.
Nut jobs feeding bears? Check.
Nut jobs accused of sex crimes against children? Check.
Nut jobs infighting about muh freedoms? Check.
Nut jobs surprised when ~~leopards~~ bears eat their faces? Check.
no he meant hung: swinging around a huge trouser hog
I've often wondered what libertarian parents talk to their children about between the regular abuse and the sexual abuse
Probably that children are property and they are lucky to be working at home instead of sold on the free market.
"people like you deserve to be hung"
This is a mentally damaged individual. I'd like to see elaboration on what "people like you" entails. But I would guess it's anyone who makes them feel angry or stupid.
I’ve yet to ever meet or speak with a libertarian that had any respectable amount of intelligence.
I daresay if more of the populace were hung there'd be a lot fewer angry opinions like this.
I work adjacent to education, and as such see a lot of high school transcripts come across my desk. The bad news is that there are absolutely tons of bad actors who use homeschooling as a way to indoctrinate kids to their insane, unsubstantiated worldview.
The worst news is that there's a ton of private schools and even some public schools doing it too. Schools across the U.S. are teaching creationism as fact, climate change as theory, and some of them even have the gall to consider their "Biblical Science" classes as honors level. If your only argument against homeschooling is indoctrination, it's not a very good one. In states like Utah and Oklahoma, you'd almost have to homeschool your kid just to make sure they're receiving a real education.
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