Leave America and move to other country
Create socialist utopia
Get invaded and bombed to rubble because socialism is not allowed.
Literally an argument used by Mileists here. And also conservatives.
The notion that we can simply go test new ideas in a new country seems to be largely promoted by neoliberals, because it implies that liberalism is popular.
I sincerely wish we could have more tests like the Free State Project - now they just want to impose it on everyone.
I do not see anything Milei does a new.
I just like how Americans always seem to think they have the freedom to move to any country they want.
"If X gets elected I'm moving to Canada"
Both sides say the same thing, Republicans say it not realizing that Canada is in general much more progressive than the Democrats...
Man, I'd LOVE to move to Canada. It's a massive step to the left for me.
They wouldn't take me though. I'm not good enough for most countries, apparently.
In the West there are generally two big queues for immigration:
Americans don't (yet) qualify for the first queue and as for the second one it really depends on your skillset and wealth (if I remember it correctly Canada does have a VISA for people who bring enough money). Mind you, the skillset required to qualify for queue #2 is often not what one would expect - I vaguelly remembers something like "plumbers" and "pastry chefs". It's well worth it to check what are in-demand skills of the country you want to immigrate to if you need a VISA.
Sure but how will they catch you if you just go to Transporter Room 3 and energize?
I mean, why should a rich country accept people from other rich country if they don't bring any necessary qualifications to the table? You're not a refugee, the fact that the situation is shit in the USA is on the people that live there, it's not our responsibility to save you guys.
Liberals, lol. Like every extra obedient peasant isn't more productivity for the ruling class to siphon.
Why then don't we just let in anyone and everyone that wants to move from the USA to Canada?
"What if completely made up scenario" indeed
You're the one saying that all extra hands are beneficial to the economy, yet we intentionally refuse people who apply for immigration, why? By your logic we should be welcoming everyone to boost our economy, right?
Shitlibs, lol.
You know, you can just admit you were wrong instead of insulting people.
Who's this "person" I insulted?
I'm pretty sure they would, unless you're over 30.
Canada has one of the most open immigration policies in the world.
We don't even have citizenship through marriage
We have a very open refugee policy, but not immigration
So many people don't seem to realize this, even people living here. The amount of people I work with who are shocked that my wife wasn't granted immediate citizenship and is still going through the process 7 years and two children later is quite high. I like to bring it up when they talk about how easy immigration is in Canada and how we're being overrun by immigrants.
And you’re not far enough a way if we have a civil war to need refuge from.
And unfortunately it feeds into the right wingers arguments here...
"SEE! They get it! Not even those socialist asshole countries allow just anyone to move in so why can't we freely murder Mexicans that jump the border!?"
Remember learning about travel visas.
I got a valid U.S. Passport. What do you mean I can’t just give services money and go wherever I please?
money buys freedom, obviously
If the Death Star is so bad, why don't you move to Alderaan and see how you like it??
Oh, you try moving from your ravaged country to our haven of stability? No, you don't. Or only if you let yourself be exploited as an underpaid protoslave.
Your comment made me think: Its funny that politicians who promise more strict borders and curtail immigration from Asia also support bombing the heck out of the Middle East.
Like, you gotta stop at some point and think.. "maybe we should stop being assholes and not plunder natural resources and call people extremist for opposing us"
It's not funny or strange. That's how colonialism, imperialism, and capitalism have always functioned.
Hey now, Capitalism would rather beat those people into submission and turn them into slaves. Bombs cut into profit, ya know :u
Well building bombs on the other hand is very lucrative. As long as you keep a few zones of earth as playgrounds for these bombs
Like how people say to nuke Palestine. It'll never happen, the entire point of the genocide is to free up water side property for the elites
only if you let yourself be exploited as an underpaid protoslave
We're from the U.S. Anything less than that would feel too foreign.
Saying "leave if you don't like your country's imperialism" is no different from saying "anyone who are not as racist as me should go kill themselves".
Wait you're not racist? Well, go away until you are!
No you don't get it, yanks are from the shining light of the world! The US is a perfect place that every other country looks up to, and even their problems are kind of cool!!!!
God I'm so sick of hearing about it 😂
And if not US, it's UK, France or Russia
Then China
Baldy lookin pretty dope in here
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