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[-] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Things could be different but they're not

[-] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

We’re still doing ‘I don’t like his vibes’.

[-] TVgog56789@lemy.lol 12 points 2 days ago

I mean yeah that's true but it's not like Trump is gonna be pro-palestine.

If anything he is gonna be even more pro-israel because it's a white supremacist colony.

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[-] drathvedro@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Are we talking about Hillary the Drone strike Julian Assange, Clinton here? "Genocide Joe" is absolutely fucking nothing compared to her.

[-] arin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Holy fuck, didn't know 😶

[-] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I didn't like her purchase and manipulation of the Democrat party, and abrogating the democratic process in denying the people their choice of Bernie Sanders.

But hey, let's not quibble about words.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Yeah, from my perspective, it failed long before that. The Democrats couldn't achieve their true objective if they had allowed Bernie to be elected, which was to give the illusion of a better option while ensuring that the status quo isn't affected where it relates to power and wealth.

Bernie was blocked for the same reason Biden isn't trying to block Israel from destroying Palestine.

[-] meliaesc@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

And now we have a convicted felon poised to be dictator.

[-] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Such a wide open door to walk through, and our broken incestuous Democrat party couldn't get their shit together enough to run a candidate who can talk.

DON'T BLAME THE VOTERS.

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[-] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 70 points 3 days ago

So... People tell me an election year is no time to talk about electoral reform. Every US election year. But! After the election, they scurry away under the refrigerator and stay there for 4 years. I know you have to hold your nose while you vote this time, but catch these weird centrists before they disappear and hold their feet to the fire to influence change. You deserve better than this "I'm not voting for _, I'm voting against _" nonsense. Your government is hurting all of us. Stop it, please.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Hillary would have done the same thing as Biden on Israel

Democrats have failed to fix all the insane crap Regean did because the DNC learned about how much money they were missing out on

I still maintain Bernie should run independent. The DNC ensures he will never win the primary, and it was proven by the email leak back in 2016 which is why no one voted for Hillary.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

In a first-past-the-post system, an independent only ends up stealing votes from the mainstream candidate that's closest to their position. He'd undermine the Democratic candidate, making a Republican win more likely. He's smart enough not to want to do that.

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Maybe we could find a 50 yo with Bernie's values and he could be on their cabinet. Idgaf about vibes, but maybe we could put someone in that's not on deaths door?

[-] smnwcj@fedia.io 161 points 3 days ago

I think the wheel of history turns on a greater axle than a presidential election. Look at Europe, and the rest of the global north. The machine of neoliberal imperialism has created global instability and climate crisis, and the rich are locking down their spoils with right wing nationalism.

Trump was a fluke, he'd have had more bites at the apple in 2020/2024 and eventually get a win. If not him, then some evangelical fascist.

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[-] chakan2@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The DNC signed it's death warrant with that one. Bernie got screwed. We got Trump. The Supreme Court just handed Trump ultimate supreme dictator status. We all know Biden doesn't have the balls to do anything about it and he certainly isn't going to win the election.

As long as the R's can get 40 seats in the Senate this fall the great experiment finally fails.

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[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 59 points 3 days ago

Bad take.

You get genocide either way; one is a guy trying to stop the genocide that's been negotiating behind the scenes for months (and yes, also giving the Israelis arms), and the other guy wants to accelerate the genocide while also ending democracy.

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[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago

Uhhh and today the SCOTUS decided that Trump can never be prosecuted for anything he did or will do whilst president, so actually, democracy died today. Biden won't abuse this. Trump will, and there will be nothing to stop him from enacting his dictator plans. About that, and the political assassinations, and the president for life, I think Trump is serious.

[-] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 77 points 3 days ago

The American supreme courts massive and 180 turn from the previous decades of law is the textbook definition of tyranny. America used to have a grand tradition of what to do with tyrants.

[-] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 47 points 3 days ago

America always had big propaganda against other people's tyrants, never against their own.

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[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

"Keep quiet or Ill turn this democracy around, so help me God!"

[-] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 99 points 3 days ago

More like people were betrayed by the DNC and rejected an unpopular candidate that was thrusted onto them.

[-] robocall@lemmy.world 60 points 3 days ago

The dnc really ought to let voters nominate their own candidates, instead of force feeding us their choice.

[-] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 52 points 3 days ago

That is far too democratic to ever be a thing in your country. The political system is financed and thus owned by the capital, so they will never permit a not capitalist to have any political success. Bernie, a by all objective measures very moderate leftist, is the furthest the spectrum goes, and he is more tolerated as a sort of token minority than realistically able to affect any real change.

If people were able to select and push their own candidates the whole big money oligarchy collapses.

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[-] Matombo@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago

If from 2 choices 1 means the death of democracy, the democracy is already dead. That was already true back then. I hate this post because I completly bushes over that fact and is only there to guilt trip people who want real change outside the 2 party system.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

It's more like it's in a coma right now. It's not responding to stimulus, but there are signs of life. Theoretically if democrats win decisively, the Republican party could be forced to move to the center to become electable again.

But, if the Republicans win, it could be the end of democracy in the US. The Republicans know the odds of their winning another free and fair election are near zero, so their best bet to stay in power is to make sure they don't have to face any more free and fair elections.

Despite all the chaos, despite the Republicans attempting to kill the democratic process, the Biden administration has actually managed quite a few meaningful and positive things. He's not a very inspiring option as "leader of the free world", but as someone who sits at the head of the table and delegates things out, his record is pretty good. But, it's pretty damning that the system has Americans choosing between a criminal fascist, and an old man who probably won't last 4 years.

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[-] callouscomic@lemm.ee 41 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

People who think our presidential elections are only recently fucked up are morons. Since basically day 1 the politics and seedyness and bullshit going on behind the scenes has always been insane.

There's some kind of narcissistic selfishness that constantly has a need for THIS time, OUR time to be the worst ever.

I mean, for the majority of the country's history, huge portions of its population had literally no democracy due to no right to vote. But I guess we'll ignore that.

We had portions of our history that were rocky as hell due to shifting balances of power between the federal branches, especially in the first 100 years.

We literally had a fucking civil war.

It's always so interesting to me how people just ignore how bad it's always been, and how many times the country did not, in fact, literally end, and yet they STILL gin up end of the country fearmongering constantly in every election cycle.

None of this is truly new.

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

No, no, I was assured Hillary Clinton was Basically The Same as Trump and Both Sides Were Bad.

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