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[-] frankfurt_schoolgirl@hexbear.net 47 points 2 months ago

She's always been a lib. She just gets a lot of hate because most leftists only support trans people because they think we're politically reliable

[-] RiotDoll@hexbear.net 62 points 2 months ago

they do? good Lord lmfao.

so everyone needs to know there are entire classes of trans folk who:

-simp the military -are liberal or even conservative -very much just want to disappear into a passing gender role of choice and integrate into society completely so they can go back to being thoughtlessly bourgeoise.

it is, as always, a race and class thing. I'm a working class trans femme and i live and breathe communism, but the idea that we're any more politically reliable than any other group is surely shorn of ignorance. There are large contingents of middle class, middle aged, white transfemmes who look at you funny and disinvite you to their functions if you talk about redistributing wealth or abolishing the police

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

You can tell who values you in all of your trans-self by their reaction to conservative trans people.

If they say "chickens voting for KFC" or anything similar, then they never valued trans people beyond what they could gain from them politically.

No sane human responds that way to someone who is under serious threat. It's just mocking that individual and the hurdles/threats they face everyday.

[-] RiotDoll@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago

I feel like our identity both enables us and obliges us to be more thoughtful than the average person, but I only agree with you to the extent that, there are plenty of "allies" who will revoke the identity of our siblings for wrongthink - this is flatly unacceptable. But trans folk aren't beyond reproach, and as a matter of internal policing, I'm pretty down with criticizing my brothers, sisters, siblings in gender-queerness for being overly self serving or disengaged politically.

with that said, this isn't anything i would trust or feel good empowering cis allies, politically aligned or not, to do. Not their business.

But the liberals and conservatives in our cohort need their Come To Ishtar moment, and facilitating that is good.

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

I don't think we shouldn't criticize trans people who have reactionary beliefs, I just think that the way people do it matters.

Not misgendering someone and not getting gleeful at the abuse they're going to experience under a fascist regime are the bare minimum. If there are allies who can't even do that, then I think it's fair to question whether they really believe in trans-rights with no strings attached.

You pretty much said what I was trying to get at with my comment.

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago

Not misgendering someone

I'm pretty sure the mods will still ban anyone who misgenders Contra, as much as we dislike her.

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

That's good and I expect nothing less

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

I want to see my fellow trans people do better than licking the boots of the status quo...

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

idk she had a lot more radical pretenses before, though it's partly also a Destiny thing where you can attract leftists by focusing on having cogent criticisms of rightwingers and hiding that you yourself are just a different flavor of neoliberal ghoul. Even government-funded PhiTube gives stronger endorsements of radical politics, which is part of why she plainly does not get the same hate even though she's also a trans "breadtube" lady.

I think the main thing though, and the name was always a giveaway, is that "breadtube" was a fucking mistake and anyone able to build a platform on it would immediately become some self-absorbed new media labor aristocrat. Yes, that includes Shawn and Hbomb, but they are clever enough to avoid talking about who they support, unlike Contra.