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[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago

USA

Liberal in the US means progressive. It's a term referring to social issues, not economic ones.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Liberal in the USA means Liberal economically, it's just that economic Liberalism is more progressive than the alternstive, far-right populism.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago

Liberal in the USA means Liberal economically

No, it absolutely does not. You are lying.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago

Yes it does. The Liberals in the US support Liberalism. Calling someone a Liberal means they support Liberalism in the US.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago

You are a liar and you keep spreading this bullshit. Both sides in the US support economic liberalism. The US exclusively uses the term "liberal" to refer to social issues.

You can argue about whether that's a good definition or not, but you CANNOT argue about whether that's actually how it's used in the US, both in everyday usage and political journalism.

You are spreading this shit because you like to intentionally blur the difference between Democrats and Republicans.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Both sides in the US support Capitalism, but the far-right is far more populist.

I am not trying to blur the difference between the Democrats and Republicans.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Then why are you trying to push this idea that "liberal" = "fiscally liberal"? Not only is it not true, it's not even useful, as we have words like "capitalist" to describe the similar economic thinking between Democrats and Republicans (and I'm using similar very loosely here, it's only similar when compared to something like socialism).

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

Liberal = Liberal, yes.

Liberalism is the dominant ideology of Capitalism, Capitalism the the dominant economic structure.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago
[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

I'm not "pushing" anything. Liberals are Liberals, pretending Liberals aren't Liberals is goofy.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Why do you care if the US uses the term "liberal" differently?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

Because the US doesn't use the term differently, US Liberals view themselves differently.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Okay, so you're saying that liberal politicians use the term differently, but they're wrong, because "the US" doesn't use the term differently? You're claiming that everyday Americans say "liberal" and are referring to the economic sense of the word?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

No, I'm saying liberal politicians use the word correctly but view themselves as progressive, same with liberal citizenry. Nobody calls themselves a Liberal but is actually a Socialist or anything.

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