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[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In acamedia you usually get your name on most papers where you help a bit. And if you're the boss, you get your name on papers without even helping but perhaps supplying space, material, budget.

[–] candybrie@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I've been in academia. My field required a "significant intellectual contribution" to the research and the writing, so no putting your name on papers if you just supplied space/material/budget. You can get an acknowledgement for that, not an authorship credit.

[–] ormr@feddit.de 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

And which reviewer or publishers verifies how "significant" a contribution is beyond seeing some initials matched with tags like "visualization" or "experimental design"? That's right, nobody. It's not even remotely traceable who did what if you're a reviewer.

Academia is full of fraud and people trying to secure their share of credit because in academia it's all about names, as the twitter exchange above illustrates so profoundly. And the other driver for the sad state of academia is of course having the quantity of published papers as the most important criterion for academic success. The more papers, the more citations, the bigger your name will become. It determines your chances of getting funding and therefore your career. If you want to make a career in science you have little options but to comply with this system.

[–] candybrie@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's kind of the point I was making.

[–] ormr@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago

Sorry, my irony detector must be malfunctioning.

[–] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Academia is full of fraud

Everything, everywhere is corrupt.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Everything Everywhere All Corrupt

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago

This definitely varies by field, lab, university.