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[–] amphibian@hexbear.net 98 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

hide the fact they’ve been allies with Hitler between 1939 and 1941

I forgot people actually believed shit like this wtf

[–] highalectical@lemmygrad.ml 77 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Not only do people believe it, thinking the Molotov Ribbentrop pact was an alliance is the most common take on it I've seen from people I know in meatspace.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only people that know what it is who are anticommunists. The rest don't have a clue.

[–] highalectical@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In my experience, they couldn't tell you the name of the pact or anything about it if you asked them, but the "USSR and nazis teamed up" talking point is still there.

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Liberals of all kinds, even those who are not well-read, believe that Nazism and communism are the same.

[–] highalectical@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Especially those who aren't well-read.

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

I love this quote. What’s even worse though is being technically literate but still so fervently anti-communist that you refuse to even look at Marxist texts. Or, if you do look at them, they just look like gibberish. This is what happened to me when I attempted to read The Communist Manifesto and Capital as a liberal teenager. I got nowhere.

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ehh you usually do, the much better arguments are:

  1. A ton of other countries had non-aggression pacts with the Nazis
  2. The Soviets signed theirs after Britain and France shot down an anti-Nazi pact (which would be an example of a pact between allies)
  3. Your allies don't launch a genocidal invasion of you
[–] Biggay@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Not to actually The Soviets and Britain + France were not actual political allies, only really allies in that they eventually fought the same country for a very brief period of time. In the case of France they were never at war with the Nazis simultaneously as the Soviets

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

Always ask them if they know what is a Czechoslovakia, what happened to it in 1938 and who were the people shaking hands nodding in agreement and then finally happily cheering after it happened.

[–] amphibian@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

idk what meatspace is, am i blessed for my ignorance here?

[–] save_vs_death@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

cutesy internet terminology for "in real life" a play on "cyberspace"

[–] amphibian@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ohh ty, i assumed it was like some nazi forum lol

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

They even use it to say that the Nazis were socialist, actually

[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Meanwhile Ukrainian Father of the Nation was not only allied to the Nazis, he helped them with the Holocaust and got sent to a concentration camp as a reward.

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 1 year ago

...Where he got personal slaves and preferental treatment. The he got let out, ordered some massacres, ran to germany, hid in Munich and got a case of Karma in the face.

he helped them with the Holocaust and got sent to a concentration camp as a reward.

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