I'm surprised too to hear he supports a ceasefire. At a casual glance, I had come to associate him with the kind of resistance libs that were like "Iraq was bad but, Afghanistan is the good war." People who never have a comprehensive critique of American imperialism.

In saying the above comment about museum pieces, I was referring mostly to when he did stuff like the March to Restore Sanity. I used to hear that sort of bipartisanship fetishization during the early Obama years from mainstream liberals as a response to the Tea Party. It was so nauseating, especially as the hindsight piles on. It all just seems about preserving the status quo to me, that is not at going to get any of the reforms that he wants that we might agree with him on.

I think more people on the lib-left don't buy into it but, it's still the default attitude among the geriatric leadership class of the Democratic party.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

March to Restore Sanity

That was on my mind too. Libs live in a fantasyland that gets more and more elaborate as they convince themselves that the old days were so much better and it would be great if we could get back to that.

The other day I heard a MNSBC talking head named Elie Mystal actually say something like "We need a strong republican party." What made it especially galling for me is that Mystal one of their legal experts who is by far the strongest, harshest critic of GOP justices on the supreme court. If he was just a tiny bit more bitter - he'd lose his MSNBC gig forever. Yet he's such a boneheaded institutionalist - he can't help but defend a system and a court that's nearly guaranteed to get more and more reactionary over time.

Mystal - like a typical lib - must make daily efforts to pretend he GOP was good before Trump showed up. Such libs must force away the reality that "good" republicans like the ex-president war criminal Dubya worked hard behind the scenes to put people like Kavanaugh on the court. And - of course - the GOP has wanted to kill Roe for decades.

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago

i didn't expect to see the rehabilitation of george w bush.

if we're not all dead, i expect to see the rehabilitation of trump

[–] casskaydee@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

we need a strong Republican party

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Obama say this too?

EDIT: YEP! He was saying this shit in 2016 and probably still says it today, in between making phone calls to crush union efforts

[–] davel@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I’ve heard Pelosi say it before, too. They need a strong Republican party to blame for their feigned inability to get us the things we want.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago

In their minds, liberals think of themselves as wise parents for Republicans. They think they're guiding poor lost conservatives into the enlightenment of liberalism.

In practice, liberals act like employees for republicans

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago

https://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/video/2016/03/obama-i-want-an-effective-republican-party