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chapotraphouse
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No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer
Vaush posts go in the_dunk_tank
Dunk posts in general go in the_dunk_tank, not here
Don't post low-hanging fruit here after it gets removed from the_dunk_tank
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It's not his fault though. If you could sack your president and elect a new one tomorrow, the new one would do the same. Your electoral system ensures it. You need electoral reform to have a chance of fixing anything.
Not sure you realize where you are. We are well aware of the impotence of bourgeois electoralism to enact meaningful change.
Also lmao absolving Biden of responsibility for materially supporting genocide cool.
actually i have no idea where i am! the community is called [ ]. the sidebar sounds like total gibberish. this is a place i don't understand.
what does this even mean?!
If you’re banned from the community you can dm to appeal. Anti-natalism is the belief that people shouldn’t have children due to that child’s potential suffering, of which the child cannot consent. The sidebar calls this a form of eco fascism and provides a link to explain what this is. “Vaush posts” is a stand-in for “incorrect nonsense” posted on here to be criticized, and the sidebar explains that they should be posted in the dunk tank community rather than this one.
Chapotraphouse is the main community of Hexbear. Hexbear was formed as a group around a left-wing podcast called chapotraphouse, although it doesn’t have anything to do with it anymore. The comm title is a relic of the past fr.
Thanks for the info, but wtf... Maybe I'm out of touch, but that gibberish sounds more like gatekeeping.
We're gatekeeping... an obscure leftist online forum?????
Yeah lol it's definitely not what gatekeeping means
Our site culture is how it is from a lot of online fighting, and trying to counter brigading/trolls in the early days. Our moderation is pretty heavy-handed because of this, but they do let you appeal.
Usually if there's a rule, there's a specific event that caused it.
Moderating anything is literally gatekeeping, but I can see how to someone wandering in it looks like a lot of arbitrary stuff to tread carefully around.
But if you seem like you're coming here in good faith usually people aren't too impolite, although they might be because sometimes it's exhausting for us to hear something annoying for the millionth time that a newcomer is probably new to hearing.
Is gatekeeping even real? It’s usually people mad about that based Mao quote “No investigation, no right to speak”.
Or liberals who are mad we won't say they're the cool kind of capitalist
It's terminally online gibberish yeah. I don't even understand what half of the site taglines mean or where they come from, and I've been using this website for years lmao.
I wish it were gatekeeping, then it would be intentional. Unfortunately, this is just how we are...
Basically an instance completely filled with Communists, socialists, and some anarchists. Terminally online ones at that.
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New site tagline?
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Totally fair, tbh
The President is always conveniently powerless when he's doing terrible things. His hand is forced! What a shame. Alas. Shucks.
October 2024 rolls around: MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF YOUR LIFETIME DEFEAT THE RIGHT WING.
Anyways electoral reform ain't gonna do shit, only revolution will solve the problem, which is capitalism. You can attempt (and usually fail) to fiddle with the technocratic dials all you'd like, just like most constitutional amendments did, just like little state level voting reforms did, and guess what: the country will still be dictated by crises of capitalism and its imposed necessities to produce and reproduce the system. Very few of the problems are new. At their core is the dictatorship we put up with for over 1/3 of our days and that creates harsh guard rails on what is possible.
Biden is a particularly cruel captain of the team, but you're not gonna fix the ship. It needs to be destroyed and utterly changed.
Ok, but have you considered revolution is really hard to do?? I will have to miss brunch
How does that make it not his fault?
because the system selects for people like him. in a working democracy people like him would be licking stamps, or in a nursing home. you can't change anything by changing the man, only by changing the system.
You're on the right track but the solution isn't electoral reform for government, but the revolutionary reorganization of society to disempower the class of people who own and use capital goods (i.e, means of production, distribution, livelihood, and property) for private profit and shift power towards labor and the state. To shift production for profit value and instead to use value, dismantling the incentive and social structure for overproduction, excess waste, and false scarcity.
As you've detected, Biden isn't doing this just on his own whim but because the state and political economy require him to; the state under the control of a socialist party backed by a revolutionary working movement and class will see those pressures dismantled and obliterated. Conversely, Biden's behavior isn't predetermined either. He does have the power to maneuver against these wars, and there is possibility to ameliorate and restore a 2021 status quo for both Ukraine and Israel-Palestine, without weakening the US's position, but Biden has chosen not to.
The solution isn't fairer distribution of the loot or more parliamentary democratic reforms.
Vulgar materialism.
The system selects people like Biden, but that doesn't mean it isn't also his fault.
Taking power in a system that empowers horrible people doesn't make him any less horrible
"Just following orders" energy but for the guy actually giving the orders lmao.
I mean, let's be real, Biden is absolutely operating under orders. If he tried to execute an original idea that went against one major industry or another, he'd "have a medical incident" real quick
The fact that he volunteered for that role, and his genocidal glee get him the wall
lol. lmao
I got your electoral reform right here
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Lmao good luck getting electoral reform. In Canada a few years ago the libs were elected in part due to their claim they would commit to reforming the first-past-the-post system currently in place. Then once elected they funded studies into reform and in the end decided against it, since fair elections would harm their standing greatly and only serve to boost the ndp and other smaller parties. Of course they didn't frame it like that when they announced it, instead they went with "our studies show that people couldn't decide on exactly how to reform the electoral system so we just aren't going to do anything about it."
Anyone who benefits from the broken/working as intended electoral system has 0 motivation to fix it since that's what got them power in the first place. Q
I don’t think you’re wrong, really. Whoever is in there will manage empire basically the same. Whether Biden or Trump are elected in 2024, where the US will be at in 2028 will be exactly the same. Which is why I say it really doesn’t matter who you vote for or if you don’t vote at all.
I don’t necessarily agree that electoral reform is the pathway to fixing anything. I mean, I used to think that. Then I read Marx and how he explains that the state itself is a tool of the bourgeoisie to manage inter and intra class antagonisms. Electoral reform that puts real power in the hands of the people of course would be great and would solve a lot of problems. But the people will never be given the opportunity to simply vote for that. That would be asking the bourgeois state voluntarily sacrifice most of its power and that will not happen.
Well yeah, it’s not his fault for the entirety of the empire. But he and his party prop him up as the only solution, so why would I keep voting for him? Or anyone else who supports the status quo?
There will not be electoral reform - well, the best you can hope for is a state getting gerrymandered in your favor. There will never be anything like abolishing electoral colleges, making Election Day a holiday, more protections from intimidation, ranked voting, etc. If democrats can’t do it with decades in office and control of the government, then when? The only time everyone agrees is when it comes time to kill minorities abroad and at home.
There is democracy in several member states of the USA. It could trickle up. There are mechanisms to make that happen. I think is even an ongoing campaign to replace the electoral college. I forget the details now.
what we need is mailbombs
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