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Friendly reminder that lab grown meat is 10-20 years away from being affordable and then we don’t have to deal with this shit happening every few months
Vertical farmed lettuce had an outbreak of ecoli three times in the past year. These people care about profits, not safety.
And you know where that E. coli comes from, right? It’s when farms put cattle too close to their lettuce (this is shockingly common) and the E. coli goes from the cattle shit and washes down to the irrigation system, which goes to the lettuce. My understanding is this still happens due to how the irrigation/water systems work for hydroponic stuff.
Not sure if you’re agreeing with me or you were trying to point out a flaw, but it’s still all caused by animal ag being shitty.
EColi lives everywhere. It's in your house. Your bathroom. It's literally in the root vegetables you eat. That's why you boil them. It's impossible to have a truly clean food product is my point.
But the example you cited is due to animals is my point. Which you don’t have in a lab
Your assumption is that animals contaminate. That is not the the case. It's a naturally occurring thing that pretty much lives everywhere. Not exclusive to animals vs plants.
It literally is the case lol. It’s really not hard to google this
What about carrots, onions, etc?
Not for or against this, but also food processing plants, where stuff like lettuce gets rinsed- those rinsing machines can get e.coli in them, contaminating otherwise clean produce. Even shit like dry cereals can get salmonella in them. When it comes to peeled stuff, you are pretty safe. Hard fruits and vegetables can be washed with soap and water if not cooked. But some stuff can't be washed with soap. That's where you can run into trouble.
I wish there was better food and cleaning standards.
Many folks could reduce meat consumption now as well to mitigate the damages.
Americans have developed a norm of every meal needing meat, when for much of history it was a few times per week.
Yeah....no. not in this case. For one, chicken is way cheaper and quicker to grow than pork or beef, and especially in this particular case, these birds were raised for egg laying. You aren't lab growing anything anytime soon that you can go buy for 97 cents a dozen.
Where do you live that a dozen eggs cost less than a dollar?
Mid missouri. There's egg farms right around here so farm to grocery store is like a 30 minute drive. Got a few 18 packs on sale for 99 cents a piece like a month ago.
Not with the way US farm subsidies exist now, you’re right
You can also go vegan right now. Every person that goes vegan saves hundreds of animals a year.
Not really. They just save the bigger/cuter ones. Thousands of mice, voles, moles, birds, rabbits, etc die from plowing up all the fields and machine gathering crops. Farming plants still kills lots of animals. Just not cows pigs and chickens.
Still a net reduction though, a lot of those crops go to feed cows, pigs and chickens so if you remove that step and just eat the crops far fewer animals get killed
Sure (maybe. Cows raised mainly on pasture grass might not actually cause that), but the point I'm more trying to make is that it's dumb for a vegan/vegetarian to act like they aren't killing animals so they can eat. One cows life can provide 1000 meals worth of meat. How many small animals died to get 1000 meals worth of salads, because I'm willing to bet it's more than just 1.
You still farm crops to feed cows and pigs... You actually farm way less just to feed a human. So either way you're still killing less animals over all. And there are also study's showing the vast majority of field animals run to the edges of the field when the combines come.
That's true of the crops for animal feed, but then one cow will provide over 1,000 meals worth of food, as well as feeding everyone's pet dogs and cats.
I'm thinking the difference in death tolls between natural omnivores compared to vegans is closer than you think.
Too many nut allergies. Unfortunately some of us won't be able to go Vegan with the way the ingredient lists on a lot of Vegan options read.
It would be great.
there are tons of options. Im vegan and nut and soy free because my roommate is allergic to nuts and soy among other things.
We eat all kinds of beans and legumes and other sources of protein.