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Yeah, i get that, but if i wanted to say "the capitalist class has derived a net benefit from these wars", which is obviously true, i would have said that. I would not use a wording explicityl referring to the military of a nation state, which is what is being discussed here. Understanding the purpose of war within a dialectic materialist framework and recognizing that this frequently supersedes what Clausewitz or Sun Tzu or whatever ancient strategist dork yoou want to drag out would consider a win condition does not mean that we can't look at geopolitics on the level of nation states' armies and conventional military objectives as well as long as we are aware of the wider class politics framework they are situated within, in fact if we want to fully grasp geopolitics we have to be able to alternate between both perspectives and understand when which one is the aplicable one. And given that we are talking the performance of the US armed forces here, it's kind of obvious that when i say "US military", i mean just that and not "the interests of international capital".
Yes, well said, thank you.
Yes, and it's also kind of obvious, that I agree with everything you said. I liked your comment and wasn't trying to argue. Though, I wanted to add an important point: in my experience, people do confuse those things constantly in almost every second comment on the hexbear news thread.
Sure we do. It's just that we already constantly over emphasize the "nation state perspective" because that's what liberal news do and it takes effort to do an analysis and situate an event in the class struggle. Just posting an article and unquestioningly adopting it's ready made perspective takes less effort. Thats why the class perspective is often way under represented, even among marxists eg when talking about the US war on Iran.
Centering class means people in the US need to take responsibility and do their part to make capital feel the pain. Capital needs to be prevented from shifting the consequences of the lost war on the workers or they won't think twice about starting the next doomed war. It's an active perspective aimed at organizing.
On the other hand, the "nation state perspective", while absolutely necessary, without class analysis tends to devolve into something very much like sports commentary. Arguing about which side is winning without any intention of taking part in the struggle. This is objectifying to the fighters of the resistance. Cheering on the resistance overseas is not enough. We have to become part of it.
Fair points, i really have nothing to add here.