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[–] jack@hexbear.net 50 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

sorry to tell you but Iraq was in many ways a victory because the US continues to control all Iraqi oil revenue and they did destroy a functional anti-imperialist state and force it into underdevelopment

[–] Hexamerous@hexbear.net 44 points 3 weeks ago

Yep, the "inept and stumbling empire" is a dangerous trope. American ruling-class won a lot in those wars.

The troops are absolute losers tho stacking Ls.

[–] oliveoil@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Sadaam was in many ways, already a US puppet.

But he tried to switch the dollar for the Euro. This was unacceptable to the US, and the spineless servile Europeans helped the US stomp Iraq into the ground.

He was a puppet that tried to navigate the dynamics between himself and his masters.

[–] EatMoreMacroplastics@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And ofc somebody barges in to prove my point by telling me that it was "in many ways a victory", a pentagon spokesperson couldn't have come up with a better wording for "losing is actually winning." That the sheer economic and military reach of the empire makes even its defeats bearable, that just fucking shit up without achieving much is enough to further its ends somehow, doesn't change that it has not been able to actually conquer an enemy since 1945.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If Iraq won the war, it's hard to imagine how much worse defeat could be than what they got. Did they give the New York Federal Reserve Bank total control of oil reserves as a consolation prize? What would the conditions of US victory have been that weren't met?