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Money aside, beef has a horrible environmental impact. Pork (as found in hot dogs) is way better.
Yeah, I think the total land used for cattle equals the entire landmass of north america too.
I love beef, I love hamburgers, but it's pretty clearly unsustainable.
I suspect beef prices are only going to go up and they'll never come down ever again.
this can't be true
I was wrong
It's actually the size of north and south America
that map uses flawed methodology
it counts almost all crop land as feed land
most crops are grown for human food oil fiber or fuel
the parts fed to animals are just secondary co products
feeding residual meal and pulp to livestock avoids waste
Okay, so roughly speaking, after removing cropland whose main output is human food, oil, fiber, or fuel, and grazing land that could realistically be converted to such cropland, you're left with 49 Texases of land worldwide used for making beef.
https://www.fao.org/4/ar591e/ar591e.pdf
without examining the source data, there is no way to verify this. the link at the bottom 404s and no other references are given
Why is it "pig meat" instead of pork?! That seems suspiciously hot dog specific...
Weird that Soy isn’t on the list, unless it’s so low it isn’t even on the same scale?
Turns out you can choose what's on the chart. Soy isn't there, but there's a Soy Milk and Other Vegetables category.
Edit: Woops, the one above is a different chart. I found the protein one, but the categories are different, and I don't see anything close to soy. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-per-protein-poore
Thanks for the link! I just learned something new, dark chocolate is almost 2x worse than beef! Only heard about the injustices towards the ppl growing cacao beans, now i know one more reason not to buy it...
You don't usually buy chocolate to get your protein dose though. Per kilo, dark chocolate is half the impact of beef. And a serving of chocolate is not the same mass as a serving of meat.
But... yeah. It's not nothing.
Edit: link to the per-kilogram chart
this is based on poore-nemecek 2018, which is not very good science
Both charts are interesting, thank you for adding this one!
Edit: tofu is soy-based and can be added
Is this one of those, "if farmers gave their cows kelp tablets once per day to reduce methane farts, it would reduce it by 50%" deals? I find it hard to believe raising cattle produces more GHG emissions than a similar weight pig.
It is the special kind of metabolism of cows that causes their high emission of methane
Google says methane stays in the atmosphere for less than 12 years. Treating this as markedly different from CO2 seems disingenuous.
I heard that ground beef isnt all that bad in the total. Considering people eat tons og steaks etc. ground beef is literally jusg leftovers after all the good stuff.
If you have to eat meat, eat ground beef instead of cuts.