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[–] SmoothOperator@lemmy.world 19 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

It's more that intelligence implies success rather than success implies intelligence.

Actual intelligence boosts chances for success, but it is not required for success.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

The way the world is going, intelligence is playing less and less of a factor. You're either born into it, or you're a wage slave struggling for life.

[–] SmoothOperator@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

Guess that depends on where you are. Many places in the world have very high social mobility along with solid welfare and pension systems.

Maybe somewhat less that 40 years ago, but certainly much better than the last thousand years overall.

[–] moriquende@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Success looks different for different groups of people, unfortunately. A slave could be considered more successful than another, while remaining a slave.

[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

Intelligence is actually slightly negatively correlated with success by a lot of metrics (earnings, years of life, health) and the best predictors are general big 5 attributes like openness to experience, low neuroticism, high conscientiousness (hard working), and extraversion. Those characteristics are way better predictors of life success.

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Do you have any references for this? As far as I know the literature, the debate about "what matters more" is still ongoing with some research arguing in favor of personality and other research in favor of cognitive ability. This research seems to agree that the relationship between cognitive ability and life outcomes is generally positive, and I am not aware of any convincing evidence to the contrary.

[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 hours ago

I guess I was referencing the original 2016 study by Borghans, Golsteyn, Heckman & Humphries that's since been replicated and refuted. You're right that it's not settled academically right now so we don't know for sure.

“…conscientiousness (hard working)…” Yeah, surely, if you define working hard as just receiving your father's or grandfather's wealth (or at least, part of it) as your inheritance.

When you actually look down at this rabbit hole, you find that the entire premise where these supposedly "predictors" rely, the meritocracy, is actually just a scam, maybe the biggest one. Because social movility is totally broken because prices, rents and taxes are going crazily up while salaries are dropping dramatically, and meanwhile some fucking bank takes your money as a monetary rescue for a fucking son of a bitch billionaire which movement caused an economic catastrophe.