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The ego required for someone to come to this conclusion in the first place, and then double down on it when pressed, is genuinely astounding
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If your free software is borderline malware (which it is because it's intentionally depriving users access to certain information with a deliberate attempt hide that fact from the users) I think people have a right to be harsh.
If it is malware then harshness is justified, but I'd be willing to debate over the strict definition of malware and whether it technically applies here.
But I don't think most of the harshness we've seen is actually borne of that kind of outrage. Even the OP of this meme says they are not upset and are having a wonderful time.
I never said it's strictly malware, I said borderline malware. It can't be strictly malware because most definitions of malware focus on the malware taking (some or full) control of the system or extracting valuable information, things that generally pose as a direct threat of damage to the end user or system.
But restricting user access to information without the user knowing information is being restricted and taking deliberate steps to hide this is being done in the first place is all malicious behavior. If you asked from a layman if this should be considered malware behavior or not most people would consider this malware behavior, hence borderline malware.
And I don't see how it not being "strictly malware" would change anything. People are outraged by what it is doing and how it is doing it, not by whether it fits the strict definition of malware.
Which is kind of what I'm getting at. "Outraged"? Really? Isn't that at least a bit melodramatic considering the stakes and circumstances?
The current reactions you're seeing aren't just about the software, it's also about the person.
This very meme is about that person doubling down on their misguided belief that they have the right to dictate who is allowed to be visible on the fediverse. Then there's attempts to twist the narrative by claiming the knowledge of this list was always public (in case it needs to said, a block list deliberately omitted from the git and having the code inject it later from a completely different source means deliberate steps were taken to try and hide the existence of the list). And finally there's also the directed attack to ddos the instance that discovered this list, where the attack vector are unknowing users who read his manifesto on his site.
If we were to just look at the malicious use of the software then yeah, you could make an argument it's been taken too far. But when you factor in the god complex and continued retaliation by the developer I don't think we're at a point where people are overreacting.
Yeah. That's what I mean by melodramatic. The situation is not actually that serious. If this situation is the worst thing to happen to you this week then I'd say you had a good week.
The software contained lies of intentional omission.
People are right to be outraged over being lied to.
Defending liars is a shit take always.
Well, I hope you recover from this experience quickly and completely!
What did I just say about lying?
I'm sincere. If you're experiencing real outrage then you have my sympathy and I do hope you feel better soon. Real outrage is not a fun emotional state to be in.
Just recently I was talking about how, if you're consistently downvoted, it means you're in a asshole.
People don't pile up and downvote kind, well-intentioned people, but they can smell an unwashed asshole from a mile away.
If you're getting consistently downvoted for your terrible takes, then you should stop doing what it is that you are doing.
Also, like, don't presume my emotional state. I give no fucks about whatever you have to say.
You must be new to the internet.
Lame. Try harder
Fair enough. That was an unkind remark on my part, and your comment does demand a more thorough rebuttal.
The idea that "popular" = "correct" is stupid on its face. Examples predate the internet, abound on the internet, and will continue to arise long after the internet dies. I could go into a white supremacist forum and talk about racial harmony and get downvoted into oblivion, but that wouldn't make me the asshole. And even if I were the asshole, I wouldn't be wrong.
Upvotes do not confer moral rectitude. Downvotes are not damnation. And an opinion is not necessarily valid just because it is held by a majority.
And I'm sorry for presuming your emotional state. But if you're not outraged by this, then why are you arguing that people should be outraged by this?
What is wrong is wrong no matter how emotionally I am invested in it
Yeah... But what if it gets upvotes?
Pretty sure a DDOS is an actual crime…
It'd be pretty funny if the anarchists called the feds, though.
Don't you find that to be dismissive? I mean if we're already deciding for the people who valid their feelings are we could also say the response hasn't been that harsh because it's only harassment, it's not like there's been an actual murder attempt on the developer. Maybe the developer should also stop being melodramatic?
Or you know, maybe have some empathy and understand that different people can have different emotional reactions to the same thing. I can understand where you're coming from because I don't really care either. I think the developer already got told they're an asshole for doing what they did and for me that's that. But I also understand not everyone is as unbothered as I am. Some are going to react more strongly and the developer has given them multiple reasons to react that strongly, to the point where the developer has stoked that fire to get an even bigger response. Of course there's a limit to the reaction, for example death threats and such are a step too far and those shouldn't be condoned, but I'm not going to act like I know better how someone else should feel about this situation. In the end we're emotional beings not soulless husks so let people process their emotions.
That's my point. People are crying crocodile tears over spilled milk.
If we're going to be dismissive let's be dismissive. This entire discussion can be summed up as you crying crocodile tears over someone being mean on the internet. You can keep your tears to yourself, we don't care for your crying.
My dismissiveness is a sincere, considered position.
Your dismissiveness is a spiteful, knee-jerk reaction.
We are not the same.
Really? You want to reference any of your previous comments to show where that sincerity and consideration exists?
Can you point to a comment where I am not?
I went back all the comments to pick one but in the end I found I could point to almost every comment in this tree as an example. In fact I found it easier to point where you came closest to actually being sincere.
But even that you got ready to reject before you had even finished the sentence and followed up with this.
So please, do point where your sincerity and consideration is.
Can you point to a comment that you would describe as insincere, and can you explain why you think so?
This comment you just made. Like what the fuck are we doing here? You made the claim you're sincere, the burden of proof is on you. If you were genuinely sincere how is it this hard to point at a single fucking thing you yourself said? You don't even have to remind yourself what you've said, the entire history of your comments is right here, just scroll up.
But no, you have to go play some fucking ring around the rosie to try and make me somehow prove you weren't sincere. This doesn't even need any further explanation, it should be obvious why this is not sincere.
We're doing exactly what I've been criticizing the rest of the fediverse for doing. There are no stakes here. Neither of us have been harmed or otherwise inconvenienced by the other. Yet we're ramping up the outrage. We've abandoned all discussion of the original topic and are nitpicking over the tone of adjacent comments. Stoking outrage has become the point.
Be honest, does that sound about right? Does that sound familiar? Isn't that what always happens in these sorts of discussions? It's not healthy, and I perceive the same rotten motivation in much of the community responses to this tesseract case.
I can't and don't approve of, excuse, or defend the actions of the tesseract dev. I do empathize with him though. I can understand the impulse to double down and lash out. That's just human psychology. So I don't fault the dev for feeling that way, even if I do fault their actions. But I deem the fault to be immaturity, not malice.
I do think that, had the community not gone straight to the outrage memes, that perhaps things would have shaken out differently. If tesseract is/was as popular with the community as the level of outrage suggests, then it would seem that losing the developer of that software is a net loss for the community.
Had the dev been more mature... well they probably wouldn't have gotten themselves into this mess in the first place. But had they been more mature in the aftermath, and had the community been more forgiving, then the situation might have resolved amicably to everyone's benefit. Instead, we traded a valued community member for outrage memes.
This I sincerely believe. This I have given due consideration. This I am willing to discuss and be persuaded against, if a person can be found who honestly disagrees with most of what I've just said and can explain why.
Wow.
You gaslit me to make a point about how stoking outrage has become the point...
Yeah, fair enough, I guess you have a point then and you have been sincere the whole time. Now I'm regretting not keeping in that the only way you could be sincere is if you're a sincere asshole, because turns out that's exactly the kind of sincere you are. Because I did write that at one point and then I deleted it before posting because I thought "surely they're not that big of a piece of shit so out of respect for them I shouldn't insinuate that's what they are".
Turns out I was wrong. That's exactly who you are. In hindsight it makes perfect sense. No wonder you wouldn't empathize with how the community even reached this point. It also explains why you'd turn into such a troll when others get annoyed by you. It even explains why you're somehow empathizing with the tesseract dev, because you're cut from the same cloth.
So yeah, I've been convinced you are sincere and have given it consideration. I've also been convinced there is no persuading you to believe otherwise because those beliefs come from the core of who you are. To be open to change your opinion on that matter would be to be open to change as a person and I seriously doubt you're open to that. I don't even know where to go from here. I've never reached an end of the discussion feeling like this is someone I never want to interact again. But there has been an upside to this as well. I couldn't understand why people would parade being on that banlist, because in the end it's just a banlist someone put together. However after this discussion I understand why so I'll peace out with that little nugget of truth because that's about the only useful takeaway from this whole thing.
Calling me names rather than addressing any of the points I raised only serves to demonstrate the points I've raised.