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[–] mech@feddit.org 19 points 1 day ago (24 children)

Unpopular opinion:
Universal human rights apply to all humans, including Nazis.
Dehumanizing people and denying them their human rights is what Nazis do.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)

Nazis do have human rights. Including the right to be punished for their actions. Just like everyone else.

But if the governments don't punish them for their actions then don't be surprised if people take matters into their own hands. Which again, would happen to any group of people that were perceived as having too much power and being given too much leeway by the government, regardless of political beliefs.

[–] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 2 points 20 hours ago

A right is something you can claim for yourself. "Being punished for your actions" is not a right. I'd even argue that, from a political/social standpoint, punishment shouldn't be the goal: at a minimum, we should seek to reeducate, and if that fails, isolation is the way to go.

That being said, at the individual level, I wholeheartedly condone the punching of nazis.

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[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 0 points 14 hours ago

Nazis aren't people

[–] desra@lemmy.vg 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'll agree this should be an unpopular opinion. When they deny the rights of others, they forfeit their own.

Society is generally based on social contracts regarding human decency, respect and what apparently are more extreme ideas like compassion and empathy. It's an agreement to be a part of a community, not to exploit it for selfish gain. If they want to do that, at the very least they should be exiled and allowed only care about themselves by themselves.

We need to stop tolerating intolerance. If you're harmful to our species letalone our planet that we share with so many others, part present and future, ostracize or eradicate. This high road shit has gotten use nowhere in the entirety of our planets history but right here where monsters are allowed and encouraged to reign.

I'll also agree to step up to the chopping block if it means I take some of these assholes to hell hand in hand with me.

[–] mech@feddit.org 17 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Granting someone human rights IS NOT tolerance.
And it's not high road shit.

When Nazis attack your state with an army, shoot them in defense.
When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used.

The problem we have isn't that those measures aren't enough.
It's that we don't even do those things, because our politicians are actually in league with them or afraid of them.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used.
Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups.

This. Does. Not. Work.

[–] DarthFrodo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Does that mean that from your perspective, the US shouldn't have attacked and defeated the Nazis in WW2 and should have allowed them to stay in power and do their thing instead?

This kinda seems like preferring to sacrifice the human rights of the innocent, to protect the human rights of their murderers.

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[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Granting someone human rights IS NOT tolerance

It IS bullshit. No one ever is born with the notion of human rights and all the crap, but some creatures are born human nonetheless. Which is why

And it’s not high road shit

It actually is. I can agree not to kill someone unless they have killed or caused comparable harm, but not after. Once someone has breached social contract of decent treatment of others - they are not protected by it in my eyes anymore. Yes, it makes me capable of terrible things. No, I am not giving up that capability just for an idea that "I am good and civilized, unlike others"

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No one ever is born with the notion of human rights and all the crap, but some creatures are born human nonetheless.

Nobody is born racist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, and fascist either.

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[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No one ever is born with the notion of human rights and all the crap

Maybe not in your country, but here in Germany people are in fact born with human rights, including notably the right to live.

Which, funnily, both the human rights declaration and the German constitution where written right after the nazi reign, by people who knew better than you and me what fashism can do.

[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

"Not men, fascists."

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[–] mech@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It also makes you susceptible to do inhumane things to people based on false information.

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Yes, and unless I am inhumane myself that will go on to hunt me long after the fact. This knife cuts both ways

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Are you seriously suggesting that merely pointing to someone and going this guy's a Nazi would immediately result in a beating? Come on that's an intellectually dishonest arguement and you know it, that is absolutely not happening no one is doing that.

What's happening is the Nazis are ousting themselves. They provide their own evidence. They film themselves doing this stuff, rioting, setting fire to buildings, weaving misspelt banners around. They are pointing the finger at themselves.

No one attacks people without evidence. Look at Trump, every time Mr tiny hands doesn't like somebody he accuses them of being a fascist, without knowing what the word means. But it's utterly irrelevant because no one believes him.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

This argument just destroy all of the plans of civilized man. WE ARE RUINED! at any moment we could be deceived! Let's all lie down in the dirt and cry until we die.

[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

How so? It's not like we're being manipulated into thinking people that aren't nazis are. We're watching them openly do nazi shit, we're watching seig heils at the inauguration, we're seeing literally nazi playbook shit, again all out in the open. Nobody is telling us this is nazi shit, we're just seeing it for what it is. How can that be used nefariously? There's no fox news equivalent manipulating the masses of the left, we're just informed enough to see a spade for a fuckin spade. So tell me exactly how that can make me susceptible to do inhumane things based on false information. Be specific.

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[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

"Universal" human rights can be forfeited by the individual by attempting to restrict another's rights.

Done and done.

[–] s@piefed.world 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Trolley problem — save the human rights of billions by sacrificing the human rights of the few who want to tie all of these people to the trolley tracks

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Lets debate the SS in the marketplace of ideas...

It is sad for us to have to go through such trauma but violently murdering fascists is not dehumanizing. We are honouring them by believing the true extent of their evil, respecting their decision by reacting truthful to reality. It's inhumane to let such sick individuals believe they might be right, when they believe in power being absolute. Natural order is what they want, why deny them?

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