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[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I mean, what if the Bad People are Nazis

[–] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

What definition of “Nazi” are we working with here? I assume it’s a set of beliefs and not Germany’s Nazi party from WW2. So what are these beliefs? Genuine question.

[–] mech@feddit.org 19 points 1 day ago (24 children)

Unpopular opinion:
Universal human rights apply to all humans, including Nazis.
Dehumanizing people and denying them their human rights is what Nazis do.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (17 children)

Nazis do have human rights. Including the right to be punished for their actions. Just like everyone else.

But if the governments don't punish them for their actions then don't be surprised if people take matters into their own hands. Which again, would happen to any group of people that were perceived as having too much power and being given too much leeway by the government, regardless of political beliefs.

[–] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 2 points 23 hours ago

A right is something you can claim for yourself. "Being punished for your actions" is not a right. I'd even argue that, from a political/social standpoint, punishment shouldn't be the goal: at a minimum, we should seek to reeducate, and if that fails, isolation is the way to go.

That being said, at the individual level, I wholeheartedly condone the punching of nazis.

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[–] desra@lemmy.vg 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'll agree this should be an unpopular opinion. When they deny the rights of others, they forfeit their own.

Society is generally based on social contracts regarding human decency, respect and what apparently are more extreme ideas like compassion and empathy. It's an agreement to be a part of a community, not to exploit it for selfish gain. If they want to do that, at the very least they should be exiled and allowed only care about themselves by themselves.

We need to stop tolerating intolerance. If you're harmful to our species letalone our planet that we share with so many others, part present and future, ostracize or eradicate. This high road shit has gotten use nowhere in the entirety of our planets history but right here where monsters are allowed and encouraged to reign.

I'll also agree to step up to the chopping block if it means I take some of these assholes to hell hand in hand with me.

[–] mech@feddit.org 17 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Granting someone human rights IS NOT tolerance.
And it's not high road shit.

When Nazis attack your state with an army, shoot them in defense.
When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used.

The problem we have isn't that those measures aren't enough.
It's that we don't even do those things, because our politicians are actually in league with them or afraid of them.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

When they attack your society, arrest them, give them a trial, lock them up and seize all assets they used.
Inestigate their support network and shut that down. Ban Nazi parties, clubs and groups.

This. Does. Not. Work.

[–] DarthFrodo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Does that mean that from your perspective, the US shouldn't have attacked and defeated the Nazis in WW2 and should have allowed them to stay in power and do their thing instead?

This kinda seems like preferring to sacrifice the human rights of the innocent, to protect the human rights of their murderers.

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[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

"Universal" human rights can be forfeited by the individual by attempting to restrict another's rights.

Done and done.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 0 points 17 hours ago

Nazis aren't people

[–] s@piefed.world 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Trolley problem — save the human rights of billions by sacrificing the human rights of the few who want to tie all of these people to the trolley tracks

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Lets debate the SS in the marketplace of ideas...

It is sad for us to have to go through such trauma but violently murdering fascists is not dehumanizing. We are honouring them by believing the true extent of their evil, respecting their decision by reacting truthful to reality. It's inhumane to let such sick individuals believe they might be right, when they believe in power being absolute. Natural order is what they want, why deny them?

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[–] gurty@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

“Everyone I don’t agree with is a nazi therefore I am justified”

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's the flipside, but also, some people are Nazis

[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

A fucking lot of them these days.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Yeah, Musk and Thiel both went to Nazi grooming schools In Apartheid South Africa.

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[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

this is a poorly cropped repost from tumblr, there is no critical thinking here.

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Which is funny because if people listened to what you said and followed your instructions, then there literally would be no critical thinking here. Whereas if you choose to utilize critical thinking, you would not actually dismiss this thing entirely simply because it came from Tumblr because that is a logical fallacy called poisoning the well.

And if all it took to stop critical thinking for anybody was just saying, oh it comes from a bad place, then nobody would ever really do any critical thinking, right?

So let's ignore where it comes from and talk about the topic that's actually being presented, ok?

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

i think aesthetics play a major role in idea transfer. this isnt high level shit, it's actually a very childish view, and the aesthetics of the text display this perfectly.

And it's not like the merits of this perspective were actually being discussed, at least not when i commented this. im sorry you felt the need to defend this shitpost.