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I don’t understand why not retire. She held on to that seat till the bitter end, for what?
She could have had time with her family and we could have had a seamless replacement. Instead, she got to die at work (basically) and there is a hole in representation right as the government is about to shut down.
I wonder how this will impact the gov shutdown results
I don't think she had full control of her faculties near the end. Her handlers and power of attorney should have forced her to retire but they didn't.
Yeah, she's been clearly a barely functioning wreck, propped up by people who needed her power. It was quite sad.
The party wanted it controlled, prop her up till a moderate could be appointed, because a progressive can win Cali.
Yeah, because Gavin Newsome is such a conservative
This is the DNC we're talking about. They don't want folk too progressive. They want neoliberal moderates.
What makes you say that? Biden is the "most progressive president of all time."
Case you can't detect it, that's sarcasm.
They dont say that, they say "the most progressive president since FDR"
Which is true.
It's also a damning indictment of America but it is what it is.
Ouch. Hadn't thought of it like that.
🙄 ok whatever
For Cali?
Yeah...
But regardless, the best thing for Cali that she's gone, is they get a fucking choice in who replaces her. The party "picking" someone to hold that seat for the next couple decades and be more Conservative than Cali voters should be an obvious problem.
But for some reason I doubt anyone will be able to explain that to you in a way you understand...
Gavin Newsome has gone on record stating he's going to pick a placeholder to keep the seat warm instead of one of the major contenders for the seat, like Schiff.
And I don't see why you're being a rude asshole. If you want, you can speak like an adult and we can have a decent conversation. But if you insist on being a prick, then I can just start insulting you right back if you prefer.
Because in all likelihood he's going to run for it...
It's not altruism, it's selfishness.
And I'm not even getting into the rest of what he said that made his statement problematic.
But calling someone rude for being sarcastic and then going on a rant with personal insults...
Yeah, you said like a neoliberal bud. Which explains why you don't see any issues with what Newsome is doing
Dude, you heavily implied I was an idiot. All because I came into this not having assumed the conclusion that Gavin Newsome is some evil, power mad puppet master.
You fucking people in the Always Online Lefty Left can be just so goddamn insufferable. It's like you're absolutely committed to ensuring that no one can reasonably talk to someone who has a mildly divergent opinion. God, imagine being such a tool that you can't be comfortable in a political coalition with someone as progressive as Newsome. How the fuck do you clowns propose to win an election when you're running around pretending he and anyone he agrees with is a "neoliberal"
We get the point, you're a neoliberal...
There's nothing else you can do to make it more obvious, and there's no way I'm going to read all those insults you keep typing.
You know what? If you're this mad at neoliberals, maybe we need more of them. At least they know how to say three words without being a prick.
It would be funny how much you all are like trumpets if it wasn't so sad...
Her handlers were enjoying making all the decisions and running her Senate office for her, wheeling her around and playing weekend at Bernie's. I'd say it was abuse but tbh it's what she deserved and probably what she wanted anyway.
Nancy Pelosi wants someone to replace her, Gavin Newsom wants someone else. Nancy Pelosi wanted her to stay in office until the next election.
It's all just a game to these kinds of people.
Newsom has been clear that he's appointing someone as a placeholder so as not to interfere in next year's Senate race by giving one of the actual contenders (Schiff, Porter, or Lee) the advantage of incumbency. But I'm sure that Nancy Pelosi, being Nancy Pelosi, would prefer the Party put their finger on the scale for the candidate leadership wants (which is probably 77 year-old Barabra Lee)
Aren't they all in the House right now? Appointing one of them is a mixed bag, because it also leaves their House seat vacant until a special election is held, and Democrats need every vote they can get there. House seats can't be filled with temporary appointments like Senate seats can.
Pelosi wants Adam Schiff. Newsom stated he wants a black woman (bc ofc he cares about identity politics) in the interim, likely Lee. Pelosi doesn't want Lee since she's more progressive than Schiff.
The temporary choice will have a massive leg up as an incumbent in the next election.
He wants a black woman in the seat because despite making up 15% of the population, there are zero black women in the senate. Why wouldn't they deserve representation in our senate?
Race and gender should be irrelevant in politics. The only thing that should matter in the end are policies, since that is what affects the constituency.
Race and gender now are used as distractions to make people think that someone is more progressive than they really are.
You can still be corrupt if you are a black woman.
Representation is important in politics. It's the whole point of the system.
It's a fair point to say race/gender aren't the most important type of representation. There's a whole lot of white men in Congress, and as a white man I don't feel particularly "represented" by Tuberville or Gaetz
Yes, and race and gender don't play a factor in the policies that are voted for.
You take money from big donors? You will represent those big donors regardless of race, gender, etc.
That's a fucking joke.
This viewpoint is simplistic to the point of losing all sense. As another commenter pointed out, representation is the entire point of a republic. Countries have split and wars have been fought over this exact point. Hell, the United States only exists at all because of it.
Race and gender start to matter as soon as they become significant factors in our laws and that has been a constant from day one. I don't care how much you think you know, you do not fully understand the perspective of someone with a radically different life than your own, because of what they have faced due to their race, gender, or any other distinguishing factor. They deserve representation so that their perspective is heard and factored into the laws that govern them.
This is the basis of what a republic is. You can't take race and gender out. You can only over represent your own and ignore others while patting yourself on the back like you solved it. It's intellectual, moral, and legal cowardice.
They didn't want to lose her seat on the judiciary committee. Even if they had to tell her how to vote.
Senators don't work that much. She had plenty of time with her family. She didn't retire because she made lots of money being a centrist senator in a safe seat with enough seniority to do whatever she wanted.
This won't impact the shutdown at all, since the House republicans want a shutdown.
Now Newsom will appoint a moderate black woman who will provide the optics without causing chaos. You might think that sounds cynical, but that's exactly what Newsom already promised to do.
Spend time with her family? Senators don't work as it is
Because of her senority, she was one of the leaders of the party. I agree these elderly politicians need to retire, but that means at best they get replaced by a freshman senator of the same party with no political power. It's the same reason why McConnell hasn't retired even though he can't finish a speech without zonking out and being whisked away by his handlers.
You mention family and smoother governance, but to some people their work connections are more important to them than their families and she could have thought that resigning would have been less smooth than trying to finish out the term.
Those things are possible, but I really think that her identity was being a senator and she didn't want to give that up.
Fuck her then. It's the US Senate, not daddy's law firm. No one should be in the Senate just because it makes them feel important. The job is too important for that.
Power. That's why.