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I grew up in a small town that was full of this. You know why everyone thinks that revelations is coming true and it's the end times? Selfishness.
Christians who believe that they're living in the end times are narcissists, hands down. I was surrounded by them growing up. They will tell you it's because the world is sinful and all the signs are matching but really their actual reasons for believing that it's the "end times" is:
It's all pure selfishness and narcissism. I read the bible, and then I read the entire left behind series. All of them. It's rapture porn for Christians. It's 13 books of "Oh if only we were as smart as the Christians to accept Jesus earlier!" Of course it was, and that's why it was marketed towards Christians, and not non-Christians. (Seriously, think about how fucked up that is that they had 13 books dedicated to that, marketed towards them, and how much they ate it up. But I digress)
Christians are more than happy to put their head in the sand. It's why you see Christians not giving two damns about the planet or pollution, or the next generations. They don't care. They're going to be fine. They'll be raptured. Everyone else? Well jokes on them because the Christians were right and everyone else deserves it.
and I haven't even touched on the pure arrogance of assuming that of all of the generations and billions of people who came before that somehow you're the one who experiences the return of your savior
Once again, I agree with this sentiment but Lemmy has got to stop putting all Christians in one basket. There are certainly loud and proud Christians like the ones you're describing. But there are many many Christians who also do care about our environment, and do the quiet work. Humans were supposed to till and keep the Earth. Just like all groups of people, there are bad and good Christians.
You're not wrong, but the immediate danger of the bad Christians is WAY more important right now than the feelings of the good Christians. If the good Christians don't like it, they should get their fellows in line.
The particular kind of loud narcissism people are describing in this thread isn't particularly common amongst European christians in my experience and when it comes up it almost always seems to be USAmericans that complain about it. That leads me to believe it's less about christianity and more just a different flavour of the typical selfish individualism that (to me looking in from the outside) seems to dominate American culture. So if you insist on painting a whole group of people with one brush, perhaps it's Americans who need to get their fellow countrymen and women in line...
Agreed with you. But the same can be said for any group of people no? There are also lots of atheists who are ruining the planet, and lots who are not. Lots of ____ who are, and who are not. It's up to all of us with good character to act right now in this time. That's why I'm saying, it's better to recognize those who are your fellow humans in this fight, and those humans exist in all groups.
The thing is, we’re not talking about the ____ group. We’re talking about those obnoxious Christians who are ruining it for everyone. If that doesn’t include you, nice. But that doesn’t change anything about that overly vocal minority.
They don't see me as a Christian because I don't think the Bible is the “innerrant word of God” (the Bible itself says the the “innerrant word of God” is Jesus-Christ, not a text), and thus don't apply moral ideas from Antiquity in the 21^st^ century. They're not my fellows, they reject me. I'm not silent, but progressive Christians don't have more leverage than others on them. They are narcissists.
Believe me, we're trying. But we're tired too, and the people we're trying to reach are our friends and family, so... it takes time.
Then the "good" Christians need to do more to counter the Christians
I kind of wish the rapture would go ahead and happen. Us sinners would be much better off in the long run.
Do you know where that word comes from? It started as Narcissus, a teenage boy who was cursed to fall in love with his reflection because he didn't want to get married. Then psychiatrists used his name for a mental disorder. Then this pop scientist, Christopher Lasch, said the mental disorder is on the rise due to American culture. And a bunch of self help books made money telling you that you're surrounded by evil... that word. And that's how it broke into pop culture.
Now, people who have heard the word in pop culture have looked it up, and they've landed in all different parts of that history through their research. So some people only know the myth, some people know the mental illness, some people know the pop science. And I've talked about different parts of this history, and met people from all three groups saying I'm wrong, and the truth is actually one of those three parts. Some people say it has nothing to do with mental disorders and it's just a myth. Other people say the people with the mental disorder are evil monsters. It's all jumbled up. But now you know the whole history, and I encourage you to sit and have a think about all of that, and decide what you think about using the word.
You’ve been called a narcissist more than once, huh?
Yep. It all started when I saw some memes on Reddit about what having NPD is really like. They sounded like Me, so I looked the disorder up on the internet. But half the search results, even when I used search terms about support for people with NPD, was about how we're evil and people want us dead. It's a big barrier to treatment. And neurotypicals say they want us to get therapy and deal with our emotional difficulties, but they make it impossible to get treatment with all this stigma. I couldn't find any therapist who specialises in helping people like Me be better. I couldn't even find advice on exercises I can do at home to work on My problems. I had to work on this stuff alone. I want to be a kinder person, but there's so much hate trying to drive Me deeper into the pit of bitterness and despair.
I appreciate you sharing, and I mean this as a light-hearted comment and not an insult:
You discussing your difficulties in getting NPD treatment while also capitalizing pronouns referring to yourself is 🤌
Haha, yeah, I realise that. I'm nonbinary, and I have one of those xenogenders where My gender is outside of the male-female spectrum, so I use neopronouns. I'm very aware that My personality disorder, gender, and kintype are all very linked. It's kind of a chicken-and-egg problem, because which came first? Did parental abuse and genetics combine to give Me NPD as a small child, which influenced how My gender grew as I aged? Or was I born with this gender as My destiny, and did being treated as a boy traumatise Me into developing NPD? It could be either one, or both.
As someone who has grown up around and is related to actual narcissists, shut the fuck up, it’s not anybody else’s shit to have to deal with. It’s a self inflicted condition, you are in complete control. Your brain isn’t broken, you chose to be that way. Grow up. Expecting people to feel sorry for you because you are a narcissist is the most narcissistic fucking card you can play.
You're kinda both right and wrong, it is a narcissistic card to play, but it also is a real condition often inflicted by parents and/or environment. I'd say you're more in the wrong, because this is more likely to not be a conscious choice.
They’re aware they are a narcissist, by their own admission, it’s a conscious choice now.
Well, I see the point, but even if they do something about it, they will never not be a narcissist. Same as if I am a sober alcoholic, I remain an alcoholic with all the pitfalls of being one even if I evade those
One of the defining traits of NPD is a lack of empathy, which you are exhibiting in spades right now. Do you think personality disorders in general are made up?
I don’t have empathy for monsters. Go ahead and be naive, I’m not going to have a bleeding heart for those who lack the capacity to care about others. They’ve hurt people on purpose, that’s what narcissists do. This person has victims, I know how those victims feel, and I’m not going to concern myself with the feelings of god damned narcissists. Should I start feeling bad for Trump while I’m at it?
So you think narcissistic personality disorder doesn't belong in the DSM and psychologists shouldn't treat it?
It’s not a psychological disorder, no. A psychologist can’t fix it. It is a choice. The only person that can doing anything about your narcissism is you, don’t put it off on someone else. It’s not depression, it’s not autism, there is no chemical imbalances, you just choose to be shitty and you have to choose to stop.
You expecting someone else to be responsible for making you a tolerable person is, yet again, the most narcissistic card you could play.
Well, it's neat to see that Lemmy has an anti-science community who disagree with psychologists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
I do disagree. Fix yourself, there’s nothing wrong with you other than the person you choose to be.
Okay, do you mind if I post more sources and quotes from actual health professionals who disagree with you?
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662
https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room/apa-blogs/what-is-narcissistic-personality-disorder
All these studies are saying the exact same things I am. There’s nothing wrong with you other than who you choose to be, you have to choose to not be a narcissist. Stop acting like it’s an affliction that was outside of your own motive, take responsibility for your shitty behavior, you’re not deserving of sympathy for being a narcissist. You’re not sick and you’re not broken, do the work.
https://www.alignmentpsychology.ca/post/narcissism-is-not-a-choice-a-deeper-look-through-the-lens-of-attachment
Yeah, their position is unlikely to change. I may not like people with this condition, but you're right that it is not a choice
Once you’re aware of it, it’s a fucking choice. Being a shitty person is not a mental disorder.
Words can have multiple meanings, and change meanings over time.