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SNW s1e6 "Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach"

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[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

or do you “rescue” the child from that suffering?

Thus condemning an entire civilization to literal collapse. Pike's look of resignation and disappointment just before he beams away is chilling.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

it's one of those trolley problems made to put a mirror on our society. not only there isn't a right answer, but to find one misses the point.

I highly recommend you read the actual source material by U.K. LeGuin "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas".

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

No, collapsing a society based on child suffering is good actually. Go vegan today.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

going vegan doesn't stop child suffering

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

yes it does, a lot of cows need to give birth to produce milk for example

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

that has nothing to do with child suffering. and going vegan doesn't stop dairy production anyway.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 45 minutes ago

yes it does x2

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

then will you collapse our society? which relies on much more child suffering??

why am I asking? this is Lemmy, I'm sure you already have the matches to burn it all up

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

pretty sure our society is gonna collapse soon. Capitalism is nearing it's end.

i wish. any moment now

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Someone mentioned it in another comment. I was surprised to not have heard of it before now. It's on the list.

It's like two pages and a powerful metaphor that gave me a good push towards veganism.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

it's like 2 pages. put it at the top of the list and get it done

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

that would be a pretty extreme trolley problem hahaha. did you learn ethics from michael? "kill one child, or kill an entire civilization. tick tock!"

(just kidding! i agree that the point is that there isn't an answer")

not sure if the story predates the trolley problem (definitely predates its memification), but yhea, it can be abstracted into a trolley problem.

the story also asks to look at all the suffering which out society relies on and asks us why aren't we leaving it if we choose to leave Omelas

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Was that ever established? I remember having the impression that this was some ancient technology they had just always used and didn't necessarily understand. Somewhat like that society in TNG with the planetary cloaking shield that was slowly killing them all.

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Just the visual of the orange lines connecting from the platforms to the machine. Other than that, we have to extrapolate from the dialogue:

The machine needs the neural network of a child to function. Our founders designed it that way. We don't know why.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Presumably because they read The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas!

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 3 points 17 hours ago

why would you re-traumatize me like this

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

That does appear to be much more than coincidence. Strange that it never came up for me in school aside from the usual dystopian readings (1984, The Giver, Island, Fahrenheit 451, etc.).