SNW s1e6 "Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach"
this post was submitted on 22 Mar 2026
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it's one of those trolley problems made to put a mirror on our society. not only there isn't a right answer, but to find one misses the point.
I highly recommend you read the actual source material by U.K. LeGuin "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas".
No, collapsing a society based on child suffering is good actually. Go vegan today.
he meant literally collapsing a society. as in, their foating cities would crash into a river of lava.
I simply wouldn't have made my floating cities above a river of lava depend on a childs suffering. Complete skill issue
it was their ancient ancestors that built the city. entire planet lava. they were looking for alternatives but couldn't find any. you... understand that this is fiction, right?
then will you collapse our society? which relies on much more child suffering??
why am I asking? this is Lemmy, I'm sure you already have the matches to burn it all up
pretty sure our society is gonna collapse soon. Capitalism is nearing it's end.
i wish. any moment now
going vegan doesn't stop child suffering
yes it does, a lot of cows need to give birth to produce milk for example
that has nothing to do with child suffering. and going vegan doesn't stop dairy production anyway.
yes it does x2
Someone mentioned it in another comment. I was surprised to not have heard of it before now. It's on the list.
it's like 2 pages. put it at the top of the list and get it done
It's like two pages and a powerful metaphor that gave me a good push towards veganism.
that would be a pretty extreme trolley problem hahaha. did you learn ethics from michael? "kill one child, or kill an entire civilization. tick tock!"
(just kidding! i agree that the point is that there isn't an answer")
not sure if the story predates the trolley problem (definitely predates its memification), but yhea, it can be abstracted into a trolley problem.
the story also asks to look at all the suffering which out society relies on and asks us why aren't we leaving it if we choose to leave Omelas
someone mentioned that it's only a few pages long so I'm gonna try and read it as soon as i can get my hands on a copy.
https://shsdavisapes.pbworks.com/f/Omelas.pdf
it's available online. it's a good read, 30 minutes read 2 hours of digesting it afterwards
Cool! Gonna go make some coffee, read this then watch the video someone linked further up. 👍