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I've seen several references to some sort of rift between the users of these instances today. What's happening?

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[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 46 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Visit ML before any major Western election and browse by Local (its default) and you will easily see: ML calls for the literal and actual fall of all Western civilization including the deaths of most to nearly all peoples therein.

Whereas LW does not want that, go figure. 🤷‍♀️

Something something bOtH sIdEs SaMe.

[–] baller_w@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Still coming up to speed on the terminology here, but labels aside, I would hope we can all agree on the fact that society should work for the people first. A society that works for corporations and the rich first (I’d argue that most developed nations show advanced stages of this, regardless of capitalist alignment) will decay internally, like a cancer. I think we’ve seen the global decline of society working for their members since the mid 1900’s.

This has resulted in a broad rightward swing in the US, and to a slightly lesser degree abroad. People feel like they’ve been taken advantage of. And they have been, but mostly by the very rich, and it’s getting exponentially worse by the day.

Argue nuance if you feel so inclined. But my point is: the more that we’re divided by these labels is to our detriment. And when I say “we”, I mean “not the ownership class.”

Do you work? Do you draft a paycheck anywhere on earth? Then you’re getting fucked, because those who don’t draft a paycheck to live basically don’t pay anything to partake in society. We pay for them. We truly live in a welfare state, but it’s not the poor that are the recipients but the rich.

Tankie or not. Western or Eastern. We’re all manipulated into serving the will of the powerful, and constantly at odds with one another when our plight is similar. We all don’t want to get fucked. But the more we’re divided, the easier it is to conquer us.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 4 points 5 hours ago

You are talking theory.

Now, in practice invite the MAGA over to your side, and see what happens.

Good luck!

Translation: consent needs to matter. Tankies do not care about your consent. They want to advance the cycle through the destruction phase to get to the other side that is all magical rainbows and fairy dust - just exactly like Russia, China, and North Korea are so well-known for, obviously.

And they will not let anything get in the way of achieving their goals. Not even facts.

Please do not allow yourself to become used like a tool by the oligarchy. Like both the (leftist) tankies and the (rightist) MAGAs have. They share in common a love for authoritarianism - and guess who gets to be at the top there? Hint: it ain't us!

Tankies want me and everyone that I have ever known or even met to literally die.

Something something bOtH sIdEs SaMe.

[–] AskewLord@piefed.social 31 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

.ml users are also just immature weirdos. most of my harassing comments calling me insults come from .ml users.

they don't discuss and they don't read. they just shout and quote russian/chinese state propaganda about how people living in those countries are so wealthy and liberated and so much better than americans or europeans. and if you do cite sources, they tell you that those are american propaganda and all lies and ONLY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT IS TELLING THE TRUTH.

oh, and the .ml opening talk about the power of violence and their violent fantasies of killing everyone who has a modicum of economic security and all claim to be the poorest of the poor, which I highly doubt.

I was a communist when I was 15, but even back then I was into the utopia part, not the mass murder fantasy part.

[–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 5 points 8 hours ago

Now that you're a grown up who can speak for yourself, what is the Hannibal Directive?

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Actual communists here are on Threadiverse seem quite emotionally capable and are among the more pleasant to chat with. Examples there include slrpnk.net. I used to also say db0 though there always seems pushback nowadays whenever I include it, but I can't get anyone to give me a solid answer as to why besides unsubstantiated accusations that even on their face looks like pure BS to me. So I guess I'll keep saying it, just noting that it is a controversial point.:-)

Hexbears on the other hand are trolls, pure and simple, with zero regard for anything other than "the dunk" process of pwning someone - or rather, appearing to, from their own extremely childish POV.

Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml then are the leftist MAGAs, believing in alternative facts rather than living in reality. e.g. most claim that they would move to the likes of North Korea in a heartbeat, except, you know... I guess they took an arrow to the knee or some such. 🤪

I am so glad that I can block people from an entire instance. If I could, I would make an exception to the devs Nutomic and Dessalines out of respect for having offered the Lemmy sourcecode as FOSS, but other than that, I have not missed a single interaction with anyone on Lemmy.ml since I have done so, every time I've checked to see what I might be missing. They are the most batshit insane comments across the entirety of the Threadiverse, after Hexbear obviously.

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

ML calls for the literal and actual fall of all Western civilization

for the record when people say 'Death to America' it's wishing an end to the American government and its settler-colonial state apparatus.

Concern about the 'fall of Western civilization' is more often than not a dog whistle signalling reactionary politics.

also this isn't limited to election seasons, death to america

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

Death to America

I dunno man, all other things aside (I have no opinion on specific Lemmy instances at all), when you're quoting Osama Bin Laden as part of your own beliefs or opinion, that's probably not cool beans, you know?

[–] FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 hours ago

Osama Bin Laden and I happen to have the same position that the end of the USA as a political entity would be a positive thing. I probably also agree with him that breathing and having meals is necessary for survival.

Are either of those propositions made less true by virtue of Osama also believing them?

[–] MaeBorowski@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

Death to America is a saying that goes back much further than Bin Laden, and there have been many good reasons for many people to say it. I'm sure many of the people indigenous to the land (that wasn't "America" to them) had a probably rather similar phrase and said it probably rather often as that entity commenced with their genocide. And since that time, it's not as if there hasn't been a lack of good reasons to call for the destruction of the settler-colonial project responsible for the worst imperialist cruelties since the British Empire (the immediate ancestor). But you might consider questioning why you seem to only associate the phrase with that one particular person.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 hours ago

I dunno man. You have a dog? Hitler had a dog...

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I use she/her in case it doesn't show up in your app.

This isn't quoting osama bin laden, it's an Iranian slogan/expression.

America as a settler-colonial state is a world-historic evil, death to America