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[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 36 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

Rookie Trader’s Rapid 84% Wipeout Shows Depth of China Gold Bust

articleFrom hedge funds to homemakers, the leverage-loving Chinese traders behind gold’s record rally are now nursing big losses after one of the fastest market reversals in years.

For Merry Chen, a 42-year-old homemaker in Hangzhou, the foray into precious metals lasted less than a week. With no prior experience in derivatives, Chen opened a futures account last Monday on the advice of friends.

The initial results were promising: she gained 60% on her 1 million yuan ($144,000) investment in just 48 hours. But Friday’s sharp drop wiped out those gains and triggered a forced liquidation, leaving her with a 750,000 yuan loss, down 84% from the peak.

“I never imagined it could be this intense,” said Chen, who plans to close her account. “It felt like a trip to a casino in Macau.”

Chen’s losses are emblematic of speculators who had piled into precious metals before the Friday crash triggered widespread losses and forced liquidations of leveraged futures positions. While part of the trigger was the nomination of Kevin Warsh to lead the US Federal Reserve, which sent the dollar higher, many had long warned the metals markets were too overstretched.

Spot gold fell as much as 10% on Monday, and is down almost a fifth from an all-time high. Silver plunged as much as 16%, following a record intraday loss in the previous session..

The sharp reversal gave trend-following commodity trading advisor models at Chinese quantitative hedge funds — which typically hold commodities for 3 to 20 days — scarcely any time to adjust, according to Lv Chengtao, a partner at SHQX Asset Management. That came as non-ferrous and energy futures have also retreated, he said.

As a result, many CTA managers’ net asset values would likely have been under pressure Friday and Monday, he said.

Since such CTA holdings are often spread across a wide array of commodities and their leverage is typically lower than 300%, the drawdowns since Friday have been controllable so far, sparing most of them from forced liquidations, he said.

Still, some such funds suffered drawdowns of more than 10%, according to an executive with a Shanghai-based quantitative fund, whose firm cut most of its precious-metal futures positions last week to limit losses. He asked not be named discussing a private matter.

The decline is coming ahead of the Lunar New Year holiday, when CTAs tend to cut positions by 30%-50% to reduce risks because offshore trading continues during the week-long break, and that process of reductions has started already, according to a Shanghai-based quant fund.

Chinese banks also took measures last week to limit risks for retail investors in gold-accumulation products. Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd. and China Construction Bank Corp. were among those that plan to either raise the minimum deposit amount or implement quota controls.

The gold rally has been building for a number of years as central banks expanded their holdings as an alternative to the dollar. It accelerated in 2025 as global investors piled into the so-called debasement trade. Chinese speculators, including individual investors and large funds venturing into commodities, added more fuel to the gains in recent weeks.

One of China’s most well-know investors exited the trade in December. Shanghai Banxia Investment Management Center, a macro hedge fund managing more than 5 billion yuan, sold all its gold holdings in December, even as the asset is expected to hover at elevated levels rather than falling significantly, according to founder Li Bei.

Central banks including Russia’s have been selling gold, and the metal’s price is overvalued compared to its long-term equilibrium level, she said in an interview with the Securities Times’ Wechat account late last month. The opportunity costs of holding gold are very high, she said, citing a potential bull run of Chinese blue chip stocks.

With concerns over the independence of the Fed and geopolitical unrest from Venezuela to Iran making headlines, the gains in metals had become a symbol of growing distrust among investors in the US dollar.

“There’s a simple logic to it,” said Jeff, a freelance investor from Hangzhou who said his holdings of spot and physical gold accumulated over the years are now worth about $1.5 million. “The world is chaotic, so buy some gold.”

He was cautious enough not to trade leveraged gold futures, and felt even more convinced after his escape before silver’s record plunge on Friday. He invested about $500,000 in silver futures contracts and dumped all at $110 an ounce last week, yielding a 100% return.

Now, he’s looking for an opportunity to buy in for the long run, betting demand for precious metals will be underpinned by prospects of a weaker dollar, the China-US rivalry, as well as developments in artificial intelligence. Beyond Comprehension

Charles Wang, a fund manager in Shanghai, is looking at gold stock exchange-traded funds for buying opportunities. He personally invested about 3 million yuan in gold futures earlier, with three-times leverage, before selling his holding at around $3,500 an ounce and making a 30% return.

“I couldn’t wrap my head around it, so I decided to sell,” Wang said.

He bought some gold stock ETFs on Monday for products he manages, and he can gauge gold miners’ earnings prospects based on average metal prices of the past year rather than fixating on short-term price swings of the commodity.

More are adopting a cautious approach. Lu, who runs a 200 million yuan CTA fund in China, said that before the recent rally in gold, his fund gradually liquidated its positions.

“Anything above $4,800 is beyond my comprehension, hence not money I should earn,” said Lu, who asked that only his last name be used. “I’m in no hurry to jump in the market. It’s still a gambling-driven market right now, not an investment-oriented one.”

Someone has to hold the bag :P

“There’s a simple logic to it,” said Jeff, a freelance investor from Hangzhou who said his holdings of spot and physical gold accumulated over the years are now worth about $1.5 million. “The world is chaotic, so buy some gold.”

This line tells you everything about this mentality. They are buying gold because they expect others to buy gold during 'chaos'.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 22 points 8 hours ago

“The world is chaotic, so buy some gold.”

Didn't this exact same thing happen with Trump 1.0?

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I still think gold is undervalued, China put a stop to leveraged trading, but I think it'll still rally. Maybe gold isn't undervalued, but in comparison to the USD, I think it will "rise" just because the USD is losing value so quickly.

My only worry is that the house always wins, if these brokerages can't afford to pay out all the contracts from options and futures, they'll try everything they can to make sure they don't have to pay out. What better way to do that than to release your coffers, flooding the market with gold, making the price plummet, and then slowly buy it all back over the course of multiple years

[–] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 13 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

There's a very large gold lobby in the United States and elsewhere, cranking out blogposts, celebrity documentaries and online influencers, all dedicated to scamming the retail buyer out of cash. The winners, as always, are institutional traders with insider information.

Which is just the thing, wether gold is 'undervalued' or not is immaterial. The gold lobby used central bank purchases with a larger dollar collapse narrative to sell gold to retail investors. Those retail investors were the ones driving up the price of gold due to their critical mass, not the central banks, not China and not industry.

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 10 points 5 hours ago

Those retail investors were the ones driving up the price of gold due to their critical mass, not the central banks, not China and not industry.

I'm not sure that's the case. The retail goldbug has existed for a long time, at least 20 years through the GFC. I'm sure they've piled on in larger volume, but there has also been a fair amount of central bank buying in the last few years, especially China and Poland.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 22 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I am firmly in the nothing ever happens camp, de-dollarization will not happen via gold hoarding but by countries altogether refusing to export to the U.S. (beyond 'balancing' the trade), sanctions of sorts. That won't happen unless there is an ideologically aligned states willing to do it or if there is an alternative power willing to supply their currency.

My read of the situation is that most developing countries (except China) will work harder to maintain exports and capital flows from the U.S. in order to sustain imports from China/Gulf and other exporters.

I am not saying gold price won't go up further, I don't know the future. But I can say, while central banks have large balance sheets, they too will get squeamish when more and more of whatever currency they buy Gold with (usually USD, not much liquidity for gold outside USD) is needed as the price goes up. And once the stock of USD (in form of reserves) is exhausted, then what? The Central Bank is stuck holding massive amounts of gold. Will they give this gold to other countries so they can use it to import from the country? I do not think so. Will they give it to the public? Then the public will be holding hoards of gold. If they do decide to sell, they are selling for local currency.

I think the hoarding gold for sanctions (sanctions can be considered kind of a voluntary default on debt by the US) risk is somewhat valid. But that again has the problem, your flows (capital, remittances, trade flows) are currently aligned with the U.S. directly or indirectly.

My point is de-dollarization is a trade and capital flow problem than 'hoards of Treasuries' problem.

One way would be purely local currency arrangements, let's take India and China. China says 'I will accept Indian Rupee (INR) at 90 for 1 CNY up to say, 835 Billion CNY' (that's how much India imported from China mostly by obtaining Dollars from elsewhere in 2025). Now, India can take Rupees it can freely issue and give to China, the PBOC or whatever Gov entity will hold INR. There you go, no need for India to obtain Dollars from elsewhere.

[–] built_on_hope@hexbear.net 6 points 4 hours ago

But why would China do that if it can’t spend the rupees anywhere other than India? It would have to convert them to dollars or other currency to be of any use, which means having to find a buyer for them and being vulnerable to fluctuations in the value of rupees