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The first time around, in 2016, there were a lot of "Trump will be great for the economy" takes. There were many unknowns at the time, so I can forgive people who believed that then. By the time 2024 came around, anyone with a pulse - or anyone who hadn't attached their entire ego to him - knew better.
Guy in front of me in line to vote told his kid PEDOnald was going to make groceries more affordable. Morons.
Plus when he was campaigning he laid out exactly how he was going to wreck the economy and raise most people's taxes.
You do you. But no, their ignorance and racism doesn't warrant forgiveness.
A lot of people were 12 in 2016 and didn’t vote until 2024 and a lot of them voted for trump. Iirc a lot of or maybe even most youth (18–25) voted trump
They just thought it would be really funny to have that idiot in charge of the country. Too bad education is an afterthought?!
Well their parents have probably been treating it like a team sport.
Oh, so you don’t remember when BIDEN CHEATED and immediately shut down the country and tried to inject us all with tracking devices, and we all lost our jobs and everyone died?
It’s ALWAYS the DEMONRATS
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My in-laws voted for Trump because they were certain Biden was going to outlaw Catholicism.
Lol. Did you tell them Biden is catholic.
Yeah, you really can't get much dumber than that. Anyone that bought what that man was selling is a little shy in their bag of marbles.
How can anyone be that stupid? Seriously. It just boggles my mind, I'm too stupid to understand the depths of their stupidity.
I remember when Biden aided an internationally-recognized genocide.
I remember when this, as unfortunate as it is, is almost the same in both parties.
So no, you didn't help Gaza by getting people to sit out. You made it worse for them and for us.
Yeah, that's so much better now, isn't it? But at least you can smugly bask in your self-righteous both-sides-ism.
No, Blue MAGA, those of us who are actual activists aren't "basking" in anything while half the country cheers racism and the other half pretends their preferred corporate-owned actors are an actual solution.
But I understand how you'd be confused, given the prevalence of the "we'd be out to brunch if Holocaust Harris got elected" narrative in your corporate-and-Zionist-owned party.
Thankfully the youth get it even if you don't.
Are you calling yourself Blue MAGA?
Why the fuck is "corporations" only planted at the Democrats door?
And you didn't answer his question regarding Israel because you're too chickenshit. Fucking coward.
Damn I've got a fan huh?
The problem with the youth is inexperience. They don't understand why that won't work. You need a strong candidate that's not wholly owned by the other side. The sole role of all the damned independents so far was to dilute the primary vote from one side or the other so they could dump out in the 11th hour.
Right now independents are fighting corporations and billionaires with more money than god that can run smear campaigns. If you did manage to get somone like Stein in who has a lot of good answers to a lot of questions, neither side is going to let her do a damn thing. If you want independents in, you're going to have to get them into Congress, and you're going to have to fight all of corporate america to do so. It's not enough to say, well I'd pass single-payer helathcare, you'd actually have to get over half of congress to do it and you know damn well they clowns in control aren't going to do that.
You mean like Bernie Sanders who the DNC openly rigged their primaries against and then had a court declare they were within their legal right to do so?
I don't disagree with what you're saying about independents and Congress, etc etc. Personally, I do not think America is salvageable. I think it will bleed out slowly like Rome, with corruption scandals and civil rights decay and further-ballooning inequality and de-facto balkanization, until one day, someone looks around and realizes that the USA is functionally gone. I always think about the quote where someone asks a gambler how they lost all their money. Their response: "Slowly at first, then all at once." I think that is how America will fall, and indeed, already is falling.
That's why I already half-jokingly refer to myself as a citizen of the New California Republic lol. But if I'm wrong and there is any chance of salvaging the nation, I am completely certain that the ironically-fundamentally-undemocratic DNC offers no path to that outcome. No institution which accepts money from corporations or Zionists will ever serve the American people.
Bernie was not cheated, you blue MAGA dumbfuck.
No they didn't, that's a dumbass lie propagated by butt hurt Bernie Bros who can't fathom that Bernie isn't as popular in real life as he is in their internet echo chambers.
What reform? There's one thing people like you are always short on; details.
didnt read
edit: spacing; Kinda supports the rest of what I said no?
edit: spacing; quite possible.
edit: spacing; We're already there. That's how this happened.
edit: spacing; I agree. But we need a bigger shift, this isn't going to happen because one guy or even 5 sensible people get elected. Until that point, DNC is by far the lesser of two evils, but we can't afford to ride that. We need grassroots that can organize and reform, back the lesser of two evils and work their way into proper control.
The nation started with only white, land-owning men being able to vote (land which they stole from indigenous people using genocidal violence). Now it's mostly only wealthy, land-owning, disproportionately-white men and women influencing the direction of the nation (at least "through the proper channels").
I think you might have a mythologized vision of America based on the Civil Rights era. That was the exception, not the rule.
Once you reach the point where you're guilty of genocide, I don't think you're allowed to play "lesser" evil anymore. Even if you "only" genocide 400,000 people and 'the other guy' genocides 800,000 people, you're both just irredeemably evil.
Again, we already had that with Bernie Sanders and the DNC rigged it. "Grassroots reform" in the capacity you're talking about is a democratic function. You cannot play democracy with a fundamentally un-democratic institution.
Good thing Trump put that to bed then huh
There's plenty of room for both of them in the Hague, even with Trump's considerable circumference
Why did you support Trump if you think he should be in The Hague?
Covid fucked the economy, not Trump.
It's hard to argue against because the first part is undeniably true. It's just that the second bit is bullshit, and you can absolutely double-fuck an economy.
2018 was when he first started doing things that affected the economy. The trump slump was real. He was bugging about the Fed not flooding the economy with money even more (which would have made inflation even worse later on).
Then he completely botched the covid response, allowing it to spread faster and farther and longer, which continued to batter the economy.
Yes, that's my point. Trump fucked the economy. Covid, including Trump's response to it, fucked it further.
Trump was fucking the economy well before COVID. His first-term trade war with China was doing serious damage to several different sectors of US manufacturing, pig and soy farmers, and the price of many durable goods.
The problem is that everybody has the memory of a goldfish.