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[–] Janx@piefed.social -5 points 1 day ago (7 children)

If we're fine with resorting to violence to get what we want, we're no better than them. If you kill a murderer, the number of murderers in the world remains the same...

BUT, this doesn't mean we should never, ever resort to force as a final, last, desperate act, but only when there's no other option.

[–] Impound4017@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As with Batman, the number only remains the same if you only kill one murderer. Kill two, and that’s a net positive!

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

What Gotham really needs is safety bars around acid pools and more than one licensed therapist, preferably one that doesn't turn into a manic pixie dream clown

[–] Janx@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago

It's hard to argue with that!

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I dunno man, killing a genocidal maniac makes someone a hero in my book.

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

I’d say we throw that hypothetical person a parade. During which, they are presented with various awards, and accolades. Definitely an honorary doctorate somewhere too. We would then of course need to nominate that person for a Nobel peace prize—and I’d bet they’d win.

[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

we're no better than them.

The slave doesn't want to be better than the slaver, they want to be free.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If we're fine with resorting to violence to get what we want, we're no better than them

This person doesn't know how Nazism was defeated, and how tens of millions of people in Eastern Europe were saved from genocide by military might.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was defeated by rebuilding the country afterwards. A lesson we learned from the aftermath of WWI that seems to have been forgotten.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Rebuilding the country after what exactly? Lmfao

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

After the same thing that happened to them in WWI. The rebuild kept WWIII from happening another couple decades later and rehabilitated several despotic countries drunk on their own brand of patriotism. It was the real winner of WWII.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 15 hours ago

The real winner of WW2 is the Soviet Union, which saved tens of millions of lives from Nazi extermination and destroyed Nazism all the way to Berlin.

[–] ruan@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 1 day ago

If you kill a murderer, the number of murderers in the world remains the same...

Lmfao, you really cannot be serious with this kind of reasoning, right?

If you are serious, here's an equally as ingenuous counter argument:

  • If you kill two murderers or more you will have effectively reduced the number of murderers in the world...
[–] Caillte@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

There’s an argument that murder is unlawful killing of another human. If ending the life of a murderer is done lawfully, the number is m-1.

I am not claiming that I support this theory, just putting it into the discourse as a thing that some folks could easily believe.

Also, it’s semantics as the argument you’re making still perfectly holds if the word murderer is swapped for ‘killer’

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social -1 points 1 day ago

Damn! States seem to have no options all the time! Did Israel had no option than to Genocide Gaza‽