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Yo that's a civil war
(Edited addendum: adding this about 40 minutes into the post. I'll say it may be hyperbolic to call this exact instance the shot that pops it off, but this being the ongoing policy, and likely going to ramp up as he keeps getting away with it, will almost assuredly cause a violent conflict between opposing state and fed factions in the US)
That's almost assuredly why walz dropped, he didn't want his state to get fucking sanctioned lmao
It's over baby
Other states are going to ally with each other as they do more of this shit, bam you've yourself at least two different fucking countries
Motherfucking fed just sent it's troops into minnesota, started killing and arresting citizens with explicit denouncement from the state, and is now sanctioning them
That is a war.
States have their own national guards, watch. Minnesota busts there's out, another state offers support from their own, and you've got a chain reaction
It'll be an odd war. Fascists on one side. The people (leftists and some liberals) on the other. Meanwhile the democratic party will be in the stands watching doing fucking nada to help. Yet they'll be lecturing the people "violence is not the answer" and nagging people endlessly to donate as they proclaim the next election is the most important of our lifetime. Centrists will openly lurch to the right as they assume a massive victory for the fascists. Matty will have a unpaywalled article setting the tone. Fascism: Different places have different forms of government and it's OK.
In all seriousness - Schumer and Jeffries won't even discuss cutting ICE's budget.
You might need to update your view soon to the new order, you're right though that that is usually how this goes.
I'm saying we're past something is happening, to something has happened.
You could be right though, but it does seem like a very much what's going on on the internet view versus what's changing in the material world.
My political perspective is sort of warped. When it comes to politics I spend all my time here or at Bluesky. I also watch cable news at the top of the hour but not so much anymore. I turned on CNN earlier and after just about 60 seconds some vile "expert" started to give his horrible take on Renee Good's murder. He said "The shooting is a Rorschach test for—" and that point I had to close the tab because I was in danger of going into a rage, grabbing my monitor, and smashing it into smithereens on my desk.
Seriously - I don't think there's anything Trump could do to get the democrats to act like the country was in danger. They'll be in campaign mode until the midterms. And right after that they'll segue into presidential election campaign mode. Recently they rediscovered swears as they do once in a while. And every single time I hear something like "ICE needs to get the fuck out of
[local area]" - I want to scream. Getting far more likes and engagement is not actually action. Political messaging will not stop the fascists.Why would a lib ever do something more than yell? Their material conditions are good and they see no need to put themselves in harm's way.
...and they can't wait to use the revamped fascist machinery once they get into office themselves. As usual. They just ramp up their facade of opposition as Trump ramps up the audacity of his actions.
Eh I doubt it.
Look to history. As much terrorism and violence as the right did over the civil rights era when the US federal government used some level of strong-arm tactics including deploying troops, siccing the FBI on them, etc, etc the people murmured and murmured in rage and then exactly nothing happened. Their politicians raged at the podium, they raged in the papers, they raged on TV and then nothing happened.
That's exactly what will happen this time. Trump will beat down Democratic opposition while at least half of Democratic voters cry foul for their party not standing up to him and the liberals and ourselves will seethe and rage. And there will be teeth gnashing and fiery speeches in the press and protests. But nothing will happen.
This isn't going to cause the US to break apart. It's not going to be civil war 2.0. It won't cause alliances of states. It won't result in challenges to federal power. It'll result in Trump bowling over opposition to implement what he wants and then Dems once back in power refusing to use those levers of power he just used so effectively because of muh norms and need to rebuild civility and blah blah blah. Democratic voter-base rage and anger will simmer but not boil over. Not over this.
But the Civil Rights Act did eventually pass - the rage never quite boiled over because it got channeled into realizing something. Even if it was kinda the bare minimum and did nothing to address all the violent state repression that precipitated it, there was at least a clear legal victory that let people feel some relief.
Where is that relief for this? All I see is the pressure getting ratcheted up for a few years, the circle of people who don't feel precarity constricts faster. And when the Dems eventually take office, they'll put the funding back in place^[though, what this does to Minnesota's agriculture in the meantime...]. Pretend like ICE is different now. The usual song and dance. Pressure will get notched down, but nothing is done to fully abate it -- let alone deal with the stress fractures.
Yes, this isn't The Thing that kicks off a big decisive Event in the history books. But its also hard not to see it as a threshold of some sort. There is almost certainly not going to be a direct, legal challenge to federal power... but maybe we see a scattered, piecemeal decoupling. Some states start to develop a trajectory that, in time, becomes increasingly unrelated to that of the overall federal government. Not out of a conscious choice, but simply by necessity and circumstance.
It's the official start of the bleeding Kansas period, at least.
The war spreads further and Maduro breaks out of prison to lead the revolution. The empire finally collapses.
Putting that on my bingo card... Just figuring out whether for 2026 or 2027...
''Diálogo si, guerra no, nunca nunca guerra
sino la guerra de clases''
Will Luigi be a legendary lord in the maduro faction or will he get his own faction in Total War America?
Jfc probably
Maduro has a kleptocracy to get back to. Zero chance he leads any revolution.
Go back to reddit.
The US stole their oil and tankers recently.
The US fucking stole the PRESIDENT of Venezuela.
And you said Maduro runs a kleptocracy....fucking rube.
Trump is longtime con artist and grifter who is ALSO building a kleptocracy around himself. Maduro is also.
Both true and both a fucking outrage. But what does that have to do with my statement?
So dont believe what the long time con men and grifters are telling you, they have a vested interest in stealing Venezuelas oil. The only reason Maduro is brought up is because he was stolen by the United States government for a state show trial. And you use that opportunity to bad mouth a place you probably have never been the leader of a country that doesnt affect you at all.
Yeah such a dictator his kleptocracy collapsed without his cult of personality holding it together, oh wait that's the opposite of what happened
Absolute fucking moron
You are an idiot
Lemmy today, Reddit yesterday
go look for Iraq's WMDs
They didn't exist. American Neo Cons needed an excuse to go nation building in the middle east. They thought "American style democracy" was some magic potion that would turn Iraq into an ally after toppling Saddam.
the same people who lied about that are lying about Maduro for the same reasons
Sometimes there are no "good guys" just bad guys and worse guys.
pathetic handwaving as you cling to american exceptionalism. the coward's "human nature" argument
I complain endlessly about America, Americans, and the bullshit we pull. Doesn't sound exceptional to me.
You seem capable of little but regurgitating hexbear's generic attacks on people who disagree with them.
you don't know shit about Maduro or the government there so stop repeating the state department's lies
and yes you are clinging to american exceptionalism with your class unconscious "no good guys" fucking bullshit
MN national guard has already been "providing security" to the protests, I have no idea what that has looked like on the ground.
War? More like America's Preußenschlag