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We CAN sustain everybody we have now. It's just billionaires have decided it's more profitable to let a huge section of society suffer. The more suffering for us, the more profit for them. But you have to balance it, so it doesn't lead to revolt.
Thats what ends suffering. Not decreased birthrates, but instead death and revolt of those holding back food and shelter from those that need it, so they can raise prices on unsold units.
We could feed everyone now, but not sustainably. To produce the amount of food we do now, we need fertilizers made from limited resources like oil and pesticides/fungicides that destroy the ecosystem. If the current agriculture section of the world completely moved to sustainable practices next year there wouldn't be enough food to support half of the human population.
Not so sure, we are pulling resources out of the earth at a ridiculous rate. Even with green energy we are still reliant on mining for everything. Goods, fertilizer, the stuff for solar panels. We're going to run out of easy to access stuff sooner or later.
So you're saying mine the moon?
Degrowth is only an option after the dismantling Capitalism. We are pulling unreasonable and unsustainable amounts of resources from the earth. This should be ended but that cannot be done while those resources are owned by capitalists who must by the nature of capitalism expand that extraction infinitely. If we want sustainability through the reduction of wasteful and unnecessary use of resources we need a system that is not predicated on infinite growth in a finite system. We can sustain ourselves and the environment, just not like this.
We can sustain everybody on Earth right now if we all eat beans and rice, give up all meat, stop plane travel, and limit your commutes to ones you can do without a personal car. Even if we get rid of billionaires, the rest of western life is unsustainable at this population.
If you are reading this message on a smart phone, it's already too late, you don't meet this criteria. The only solution for us to sustain your lifestyle is to reduce the population.
That's all hard to do when billionaires are the ones structuring society. The point is we don't get to choose corrective societal actions unless it is an exercise of individual privilege. I would have loved to take the train to visit relatives, but it literally is not an option.
Even if we could (which I doubt) is it even worth it living on a planet that’s this crowded?
Yes? Have you ever been to Tokyo, Shanghai, any of the like 100 cities >10m in China?
They're quite nice.
That depends where you live. I wouldn't want to live in India, which is crowded as hell. But Half of Canada is basically empty. Half of Australia is basically empty. Some of the states in the USA are basically empty. The majority of russia is empty.
Space isn't the issue.
Those places are empty because it is not easy to live there. And we should leave those places alone anyway.
Australia and Canada are most uninhabited because there's a lot of uninhabitable land. I do agree that a lot of land use isn't efficient, but there is also generally a reason people don't live in central Australia.
The world really is not all that crowded, it only feels that way because our land use is inefficient
More scientists and inventors, more philosophers and artists, more people that share your niche hobby...
The only people who have a problem with that, are hipsters or just like dieing a preventable death.