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She tried to pivot to others in the party...
Just the worst possible instincts.
No wonder she lost.
I'd hope its just major stockholm syndrome at this point. Like she doesn't see that the democrats as the Hindenburg at this point...
They probably all still think its identity politics while the rest of the world sees it as "fuck the corporatist establishment, if we aren't going to get any recognition, might as well burn it down with populism"
It's still fucked considering she was better in every way compared to the other option. That said, yes she has zero charisma and authenticity. Her entire platform is consultancy-crafted buzzwords and ambiguity.
He'll die sooner
She was not ambiguous about her support for the police state, imperialism, nor genocide
"Please donate to Harris, it's the only way to win."
That's the only message I got from her. Lots of talk around other messages but the one they hammered home in all their canvassing, sms and such was MONEY.
I mean yeah. I canvassed for Harris and when targeting swing-voters and Republicans, this obviously was not the messaging.
When targeting those who actually voted for Democrats historically, of course they're going to think, "This person is aware of what is at stake and that Harris is objectively better in every way. So we need to get money for the war chest because the opposition has more billionaires, Russia, and Israel backing him."
I saw messages like that, too, and went, "Yep take my money. Defeat this fucking fascist."
It was exceedingly obvious 2024 was a populist election, and she let Trump take that mantle and run with it. Bernie would have mopped the floor with these corporatists. This is why Mamdani is ascendant.
Talarico's messaging would probably be perfect for this. Progressive message packaged in religious dogma.
However, given the control billionaires have over media and the what they see, I can't confidently say anyone could win in that uneven playing-field.
Literally anyone. ANY average person should've been able to beat the monster that is Trump. That we couldn't isn't proof Harris sucked (in fairness, she was pretty poor); it's proof the rich wield all the megaphones.
Yeah, those few citizens not buying their bullshit can make all the difference.
It's why we should focus all of our efforts on making sure people like her never become the nominee, because that's essentially handing the presidency to the republicans.
Nominating hillary fucking clinton in 2016 over Bernie Sanders was bonkers. I don't think the nation will ever recover from that blunder, and we still don't put the blame where it belongs.
Yep, agreed.
Although I think we also need to take a step further back and wonder how the fuck we could get to the point where Trump was a viable option in the first place. In essence, that really is the bigger issue at hand. Not that Harris wasn't good enough; but that Trump was perceived as somehow being better by vast swaths of the electorate. That is deeply fucked. Naturally, we know this has to deal with wealth inequality and who controls the media. far-right white billionaires.
Going forward it's my hope that we see more of the likes of AOC and Talarico. They are clearly the future of this party. Progressive messaging meets wit and charisma and authenticity.
It's been a fucking decade. You have zero excuse to not have an answer for this by now. If you don't, blame yourself and your ideology.
False binary.
One of the other options was a fair open primary.
That is Biden's fault not Harris's.
I'd add the DNC leadership to the blame.
If Biden had dropped out earlier or decided not to run, absolutely.
But there was no way to run a 50 state primary before the election with 100 days to go.
Democrats would still be arguing over a venue at this point.
I don't buy that excuse. They didn't want to. Every other country in the world can organise a full election in under 100 days.
A short campaign was likely a benefit, quite frankly, considering how badly it was run.
The problem isn't one election, the problem is running 50 individual elections, when certain states fight each other over who gets to go first.
In 2020, the first primary was February 3rd and the final one wasn't until August 11th. Six months. Just for the primary. 190 days.
Harris had 107. AND still had to run a campaign for the general too. So, no. There was no time for a proper primary, not unless Biden dropped out in 2023.
Not attacking you personally, but again this smells like a bullshit excuse. More people voted in America idol than in the primary and they have no problem.
Actually, I made that last statistic up, but it feels right. The point is that in 2025 there is no excuse.
Oh, more people DEFINITELY voted in American Idol. 😉 But US elections have more restrictions and security as well and protections against double voting and so on. You can't vote by phone or online in a US election either, that's illegal.
So, 107 days to run both a primary in 50 states AND a general election.
Candidates have to announce, prepare platforms, and debate. Ballots have to be printed and mailed for mail in voting states, after the election it can take a week to verify and certify. And THEN, whoever wins, still has to compete in the general election with zero time to prep, debate, etc. 107 days was not enough time.
This is why I say, yes, if Biden dropped out in 2023, by all means, lets have a proper primary.
At which point the DNC would have put their thumb on the scale as they did in 2020 and 2016 and we get Harris anyway.
Holy shit it's (cops are objects not people) doing the literal bare minimum to technically undermine the specific wording of one criticism. Holy shit.
I domt get this, can you explain
It (Harris) is technically backing mamdani in the least backing least him way possible, while holding her nose and making her disapproval of him very obvious. The bare minimum for making it so that technically one democrat I've heard of–other than DINO's like sanders– has backed him so we can't truthfully make the sweeping dramatic statement that "no major democrat has endorsed zohran mamdani.
It is technically an endorsement, but only technically.