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amazing how much shittier it is to be in the rat community now that the racists won. before at least they were kinda coy about it and pretended to still have remotely good values instead of it all being yarvinslop.
invertebrateinvert
it would be nice to be able to ever invite rat friends to anything but half the time when I've done this in the last year they try selling people they just met on scientific racism!
source: a reblog of the original
first time i spoke to a rationalist about the AI doom thing in 2010, he tried to sell me on scientific racism
yudkowsky was making posts literally of race scientist talking points in 2007
I feel like this is going to be a pretty common cope line for rationalists that face an increasing social cost for associating with a technofascist AI cult. I'm sure some of that is legitimate, in that there's been a kind of dead sea effect as people who aren't okay with eugenics stop hanging out in rationalist spaces, making the space as a whole more openly racist. But in terms of the thought leaders and the "movement" as a whole, I can't think of any high-profile respected rat figures who pushed back against the racists and lost. All the pushback and call-outs came from outside the ratsphere. In as much as the racists "won" it was a fight that never actually happened.
Even Ozy talked about someone converting zir to eugenics around the time that zi was moving from feminist blogging to LessWrong (although zi no longer endorsed eugenics two years later) https://web.archive.org/web/20141127052857/http://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2014/10/31/an-argument-against-eugenics-that-doesnt-involve-calling-anyone-a-nazi/
I read that as Ozzy for a second and got really confused.
Scientific racism doesn't exist.
Racism is unscientific, it is purely emotional and not based on reality or statistics if you dig deep enough.
You can call it scientific-sounding racism though.
I call it: "scientific" racism. To me that gets the point across the best.
The point is that you are still calling it out as racism, a term racists very much don't like. Meaning, the "racism" is the important part in "scientific racism", because it unequivocally tells us that the science in question is shit.
The actual euphemism for sciency racism is human biodiversity studies.
I mean yes you are right but “scientific racism” and “race science” etc. are real phrases that are useful to describe and discuss particular racist ideas.
Pseudo-scientific racim.
Honestly that just seems to imply the concept of legitimate scientific racism even more.
Numberwang racism
Close,
You should have tried a "person capable of rational, coherent thought", instead of a rational-ist.
We are talking about the subculture here.
Oh, I just realised!
Does "rat" refer to "rationalist"?
I thought it was referring to Lemmy because of the rat symbol.
When this was posted to the curatedtumbler subreddit so many people thought it calling out racist pet rat owners.
The one racist rat pet owner is gonna be so mad. 'i might be a nazi, but im not a nerd'.
It does, I dont like it personally because of the whole dont compare people you do not like to vermin bit. But it is also a commonly used thing inside the Rationalists community. (I personally also like to capitalize Rationalist when im talking about the lesswrong etc people to make it clear im not talking about normal rationalism).
I wish they had not literally called their ideology rationality (tm) because I can't call it that with a straight face, but eighteenth-century rationalists would go through them like a galleon through a fleet of canoes. I don't know if teenaged-Yud was already a Libertarian or if he reinvented Objectivism from first principles. Political movements on the American right also rely on the same rhetorical move: "we are for freedom! How could anyone be against freedom?"
Now I feel like I need to read up on all terms in the sidebar before continuing further.
Either way, I'd most probably still stand on my point of not defining a person by the community they relate to and not defining a community by some people that you interact with from said community.
*-ism and *-ist haven't been doing much good for a long time now.
https://tmbw.net/wiki/Lyrics:Your_Racist_Friend
somehow not the first or second TMBG reference I've seen today
u wot m8? they're hanging out with active racists recruiting people to racism and their response is to stop taking those guys to parties? you fuckin bet i'm gonna judge them by relating to that community
This is the stance of a lot of people when they first learn of or get skeptical about the Lesswrongosphere. Not a stance you can hold for very long when you read more and more of their work with a critical eye.
Or you find another of their blogs where Steve Sailer is a beloved (but sometimes begrudged) regular. Or when you notice that big twitter race and IQ guy and eugenicists started in Rationalism. Or when the EA people themselves admit this is a huge problem. Or... Etc. Drink horse drink!
This is my stance on Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Racism, Scientism, realism, pragmatism, capitalism, communism, fascism, left-ism, right-ism, up-ism, down-ism, and whatever other way to group people you can come up with.
And history will prove me right, as it has before.
Here you see just one of those -isms. And there will be similar examples everywhere.
People who got fooled. People who were just better than others. People who fooled others into adding them to their group, just to then overthrow everything the group stood for, just to use it for totally different things.
― Steven Weinberg
I will go ahead and extend this to anything and everything that gives a person the sense of belonging.
That can delay/reduce a persons critical thinking capabilities just enough to destroy everything they stood for.
They they either realise that and suffer, or they never realise and the world suffers.
both-sidesing Nazis, you're not smart enough for this ride.
programming.dev, eh
Wild move to quote weinberg, noted zionist and hero of enemy of the instance saaronson.
You probably shouldn't be here.
correct
From the list of *isms they sent it presumably also includes racism. We should not be making sweeping generalisations about the racism community, there are a lot of good people in it you know?
It would make us just as bad as them!!!11
We should ask what his opinion is on Charlie Kirk's murder, or antifa, things will get really spicy then I think.
Lol you seem really invested in this idea. Seems to be an important part of your identity, so much so it seems to have reduced your critical thinking skills.
Turns out I wasn't trying to get a horse to drink, but a wolf.
(Yes, I intended it as a self-deprecating joke about trying to reach people who can't be reached, and im now turning it into a joke about selfawarewolves. And because I think too highly of my jokes and do not want people to miss my meaning, im also explaining it).
Anyway, odd thing to say about a cult incubator in which the head honcho is pro bombing datacenters.
This just comes off as your extended justification about not liking to think about things too hard.
I also noted a hint of Serpiroth posting in there with the whole 'History will prove me right!' bit. Wonder where it will go.
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