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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 153 points 4 days ago (77 children)

Let's cook the fucking planet so we can generate stupid images we're too lazy to photoshop! What's not to like? More fossil fueled plagiarized bullshit so I don't have to think please!

Edit: Looks like I struck a nerve with some people who are, similarly to "AI", confidently incorrect about a few things. I'm not even saying LLM can't be used for good, it has, but I am saying that it is being used for a lot of bad shit and it's being powered by a lot of bad shit on top of that.

Think about that before you start hyping "AI" and attacking anyone who criticizes it because there's some valid criticisms that are very dangerous to ignore.

[–] Trincapinones@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 4 days ago (8 children)

"AI" is not just LLMs or diffusion models, and that's what I think OPs is about, like, do you also hate Stockfish? Or enemies in a videogame?

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

You're correct in a technical sense but incorrect in a social sense. In 2025, "AI" in the common vernacular means LLMs. You can huff and puff about it, and about how there are plenty of non-LLM AIs out there. But you might as well complain that people mean silicon-based Turing-complete machines when they refer to a "computer," even though technically a computer can mean many other things. You might as well be complaining about how a computer could refer to someone that does calculations by hand for a living. Or you could refer to something like Babbage's difference engine as a computer. There are many things that can technically fall under the category of "computer." But you know damn well what people are saying when they describe a computer. And hell, in common vernacular, a smart phone isn't even a "computer," even though it literally is just a computer. Words have both technical and vernacular meanings.

In 2025, in the language real speak in the real world, "AI" is a synonym for "LLM."

[–] Liz@midwest.social 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

That's really the crux of this stupid argument. Is a neural network that analyzes x-rays before handing them to a doctor AI? I would say no. At this point, AI means "over hyped LLM and other generalist models." But the person trying to judge others over AI would say yes.

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[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's a failure of our education systems that people don't know what a computer is, something they interact with every day.

While the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis might be bunk, I'm convinced that if you go up one level in language structure there is a version of it that is true. That is treating words as if they don't need a consistent definition melts your brain. For the same reason that explaining a problem to someone else helps you solve it, doing the opposite and untethering your thoughts from self-consistant explanations stops you from explaining them even to yourself, and therefore harms your ability to think.

I wonder if this plays some part in how ChatGPT use apparently makes people dumber, that it could be not only because they become accustomed to not having to think, but because they become conditioned to accept text that is essentially void of consistent meaning.

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[–] DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 days ago

I hate stockfish because it keeps beating me >:(

[–] kn33@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Also, some things are called AI that aren't. People are freaking out as soon as the term is mentioned without checking if it's actually some sort of model or if it's just a basic algorithm with a buzzword tossed on.

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[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How often do you think that this confusing actually results in people acting as described in the tweet?

Context matters, and the people who are the audience for tweets about stockfish are aware of the nuance. Outside of niche communities, "AI" without additional explicit context means LLMs for the vast vast majority of the time.

If this isn't a strawman, then it's at least a misleading argument.

[–] 8uurg@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Saying AI = LLMs is an severe oversimplification though. LLMs and image generators are subsets of AI that are currently most prominent and with which is most commonly knowingly being interacted with, but pretty much every formal definition is wider than that. Recommendation algorithms, as used on YouTube or social media, the smart (photo) search, are further examples of AI that people interact with. And fraud detection, learning spam filters, abnormality (failure) detection, traffic estimation are even more examples. All of these things are formally defined as AI and are very much commonplace, I would not call them niche.

The fact that LLMs and image generators are currently the most prominent examples does not necessarily exclude other examples from being part of the group too.

Using AI as a catch all phrase is simply a case of overgeneralization, in part due to the need of brevity. For some cases the difference does not matter, or is even beneficial. For example, 'don't train AI models on my art' would only marginally affect applications other than image generation and image analysis, and covers any potential future applications that may pop up.

However, statements 'ban AI' could be easily misconstrued, and may be interpreted in a much wider manner than what the original author may have intended. There will be people with a variety of definitions to what does or does not constitute AI, which will lead to miscommunication unless it is clear from context.

It probably wouldn't hurt clarifying things specifically and talking about the impact of a specific application, rather than discussing what is (or is not) to be classified as AI.

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Let's cook the fucking planet so we can generate stupid images we're too lazy to photoshop!

Decided to look into it, and a loose estimate (it's hard to find data on the power usage of photoshop) is that 1 minute of photoshop average is about 1 gen image at 4k output.

Which means depending on use case and experience, an AI spun up locally to make something quickly would use far less electricity

[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Without training I assume? (Which on top of that almost always violates liscenses)

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[–] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

Well my iPhone 14 Pro gets really hot really quickly and the battery is comparable to a countdown app when I load a totally local LLM

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