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[–] LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml 39 points 3 days ago (28 children)

Can someone explain to me in layman's terms why this is the most efficient way?

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's not necessarily the most efficient, but it's the best guess we have. This is largely done by trial and error. There is no hard proof or surefire way to calculate optimal arrangements; this is just the best that anyone's come up with so far.

It's sort of like chess. Using computers, we can analyze moves and games at a very advanced level, but we still haven't "solved" chess, and we can't determine whether a game or move is perfect in general. There's no formula to solve it without exhaustively searching through every possible move, which would take more time than the universe has existed, even with our most powerful computers.

Perhaps someday, someone will figure out a way to prove this mathematically.

[–] woodenghost@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They proved it for n=5 and 10.

[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago

And the solutions we have for 5 or 10 appear elegant: perfect 45° angles, symmetry in the packed arrangement.

5 and 10 are interesting because they are one larger than a square number (2^2 and 3^2 respectively). So one might naively assume that the same category of solution could fit 4^2 + 1, where you just take the extra square and try to fit it in a vertical gap and a horizontal gap of exactly the right size to fit a square rotated 45°.

But no, 17 is 4^2 + 1 and this ugly abomination is proven to be more efficient.

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