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I've been thinking about a conversation that I had with a couple of cis women about seven or eight years ago that changed my life.
discussion about passing, dysphoria of all kinds talked about very plainly, be warned, also CW this is long.
I'm trying not to be too flowery with this, but honestly I think I was one of the people that was putting cis women on a pedestal years ago, something I only realized in retrospect.If someone misgendered me, I would be really sad for days, it would absolutely crush me. I would struggle to look in the mirror because I would just be caught up in how different the people on TV looked than me, how "manly" my face was. I could prove it scientifically - my jawline was wide, my shoulders were wide, I have a prominent brow ridge... I could go on but I think a lot of us have these lists in our head of reasons why we're not "good enough" to be our identified gender.
One day I was in a room with two cis women who confided to me that they too get misgendered and accused of being trans semi-regularly. I was so shocked that such a thing could happen, but the narrative that I was a "fake" woman because I "didn't pass" and that "passing" is what makes you a woman shattered entirely at that moment for me. I would never doubt these ladies' gender even if they don't "pass," so why should I doubt my own?
If I had to guess at the core of the conflict here, its that people who fall into the narrow set of western beauty standards have the privilege of never having their gender questioned, and that anyone outside of that, cis or trans, has to "prove" their gender. Personally, I think that a lot of trans people see a huge gap between themselves and cis people, but I'm starting to think that that gap is smaller than we think. For every issue that we as transwomen have, there are many many cis women who can relate to it.
It's weird talking to my mom about HRT, which she's now on, but it's a new point that we have in common. It sounds like many cis women also know the pain of being misgendered and discriminated against for "looking trans" as well. The whole plastic surgery industry exists due to beauty standards and its not just trans women who get FFS.
Cis people of our target gender are not above us and many of them experience similar pains to us. I guess what I'm trying to say is that patriarchy affects all who identify as women, who are perceived as women, or who are perceived as trying to be women, and rejects our womanhood entirely if we don't fit into the narrow box it provides for us. Society loves to make us the butt of jokes, to make a caricature of us to try to reinforce power structures and force us into an "other" category, or back into the closet, by preying on our insecurities.
Some days its easier than others to be proud of my body, as it is, despite my hangups with it. Some days its harder. I am lucky to have people in my life to tell me I am beautiful on those days and I've learned not to obsess in the mirror because my perception of my body is just a bit unstable. I don't think I'm ready to start making a ton of cis women friends but maybe I won't be so closed off to them anymore if they seem chill.
And as to the specifics of my face, well... it turns out that loads of other women have brow ridges, they just don't appear as often on TV, or they are not white. Am I mad because there is something fundamentally wrong with calling myself a woman while still having "male" parts, or should the definition of who gets to be a women and not have their gender questioned be expanded?
I guess what I'm trying to say is that trans women are women, and this is what I think that means. I think we need to tear down the walls that keep us in an "other" category and that starts with examining ourselves and our attitudes towards our own bodies critically. I think that learning to look at myself and see all the features that I thought of as "male" or "tells" as female - not just because it's trivial to find a cis woman with wide shoulders or a prominent jaw line or who is taller than me to prove to myself I am not alone, but because I am female - is the first step of that and its an important one.
I feel like I should give a caveat here that I've not experienced blatant obvious discrimination for being trans, perhaps because of where I live, or because I am white, or because I have some passing privilege (or so I am told). I don't begrudge anyone for any alterations they make to their body to help reduce dysphoria or just to be and look how they want to be or look so don't take this as prescriptive.
But for me, I think I'd rather not try to further fit myself into that tiny category of western beauty standards. Maybe its naive of me, but I hope I can learn to appreciate those "un-ideal" parts of myself.
I know!
One night, me and all my coworkers were taking HRT. I'm trans, one was menopausal, and the other had a radical hysterectomy. We all were taking estrogen! One of my coworkers was always more of a tomboy, more butch, less femme than I am. She was misgendered plenty of times. Another passes less often than me despite being cis (I saw her give birth lol) because she's taller, has a deeper voice, etc. One of my coworkers complained that she got a form email that referenced her as they/them - I told her "first time getting misgendered huh"
The feminine ideal is a very patriarchal concept, at least as it's currently constituted. Because the ultimate archetypal trans story that also influences how our healthcare is "supposed" to be done is you socially transition, you take HRT, you get surgeries including SRS to comply with the feminine ideal, and then you get a cis boyfriend or husband and then you are "complete."
Apparently cis men hold the keys for if we're women or not, which is total bullshit. I'm a woman single or dating someone who's trans, or dating someone who's cis. But it's another story that's often something we say to ourselves "I'm not a woman until a cis man accepts me as a lover." Bullshit!
I'd be happy to get FFS or body sculpting, but that's for me not for people who look at me (but hey if it helps me get gendered correctly Ill welcome it lol). I'm in line for bottom surgery - but that's for me, not for a potential partner. I'm the one that has to live in this body and I want it to be how I like it.
Its so over
I was always confused why so many people seemingly unintentionally misgendered certain women growing up. One of those people are my mom, so I guess that's why butch women just look like women to me. Glad I learned not to worry too much about how people gender me from a young age because of that though.
GOOD post thank you for sharing and i think you've described an important process of realisation which can be very empowering.