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[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 102 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Don't have to care about being unconstitutional if you're not part of the union.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 54 points 2 months ago (5 children)

That's great in theory but just as unrealistic in practice for California as it always has been for Texas. The single biggest stumbling block for any state to leave the union for any reason is the military. Most of the other problems can be resolved within the borders of the state, but the disposition of existing and theoretical new military hardware, personnel, and bases will always be a sticking point even assuming the federal government and the other states are willing to let them leave.

Any attempt to leave the US that has any hope of succeeding would be a very long and protracted process that would make Brexit look breakneck in comparison. We're talking at least a couple decades at a minimum.

It's either that or another civil war and that has so many variables I'm not sure anyone has any hope of predicting how that would turn out.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That's the problem .... if you are damned if you stay and damned if you leave .... everyone starts weighing the options of either situation

The choices for staying become ... stay and beholden to federal government that ties your hands, manipulates your economy and uses you for their benefit while never allowing you to do what your people want for themselves

or ... secede and fight a political, economic and possibly even a military conflict to decide your own future

either options is terrible in the long run (if things continue as they are) but staying means things stay indefinitely terrible while seceding gives a higher chance of political autonomy.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you're going that far, why wouldn't you want the other states? Just take over the whole government instead of trying to secede.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For one, because the way that the government is set up means that you would need the cooperation of at least 26 states to ensure control of the legislative and executive branches, and even then, the Supreme Court justices are lifetime appointments, so you'd have to wait a long time to get the judicial branch on board. So you'd have to wage a war of conquest to secure the entire country. For another, much of the country is a burden on California's economy. They're the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world on their own, and many of the states are dependent on their tax money and produce.

I think if you're seriously talking about seceding, the most practical/logical plan would be a coalition of like-minded states seceding to form their own nation or EU style group of nation-states. The most likely to consider it would probably be the west coast and the northern end of the east coast (New England specifically), which would be a logistical nightmare for everyone involved - both for the US having hostile nations on all sides as well as any seceding states trying to trade across a hostile country between them. Though aid from friendly countries would be easily available, as both coasts border Canada (and Mexico on the west) and have plenty of infrastructure for trade internationally.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

wage a war of conquest to secure the entire country

There's not a large difference between that and a war for secession. Either way it's violence.

One is holding ground that you already own vs. taking ground by force. From a military standpoint, there's a massive difference.

Not that I disagree that it's violence either way, mind you. It's just a different scale and situation.

[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

Civil war it is.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago

The single biggest stumbling block for any state to leave the union for any reason is the military. Most of the other problems can be resolved within the borders of the state, but the disposition of existing and theoretical new military hardware, personnel, and bases will always be a sticking point even assuming the federal government and the other states are willing to let them leave.

I mean it's California. At that point just get a few neighboring states on board, take all the military hardware and shit and be like "Wanna go to war over it?".

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Seems like it would be easier to untangle from the U.S. military if the California populace had access to... something... maybe something that throws metal really fast? Idk

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Leaving the union? Yep you guessed it, unconstitutional. Secession would absolutely cause a war

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Yeah, if things were so bad that you were considering secession you might as well cut to the chase and just try to overthrow the US government because they would absolutely go after you hard

P.s. for any government officials who read the above comment, I'm not advocating for overthrow of your stupid little clubhouse, I'm pointing out why secession is a bad idea. Also, quit wasting my tax dollars looking at stupid shit.

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

Would you rather be complicit with fascism or fight for something better?

Also, you're overlooking how much CA funds the rest of the nation. Flyover states do not function without funding from states like CA and TX. Take the west coast from the rest of the US and all that's left struggles to qualify as third world lmfao

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

and balkanization of the states begins.

[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago

So? It's probably worth it at this point. I'd enlist.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Republicans would absolutely love it if the most populous state that consistently sends huge numbers of Democratic representatives to DC was out of the picture. You think Democrats can’t do shit now, see what happens when you lose 40+ democrats from the House.

[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Won't matter to me. We'll leave to US to the Republicans.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, I’m not cool with leaving my friends and family to just die because they don’t live in CA.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That wouldn't be happening because they don't live in CA, it would happen because of Trump who exists in this role whether CA leaves the union or not.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do more democratic Senators and Representatives do anything or not? Because 6 months ago it was vote blue no matter who, now suddenly it doesn’t matter if we jettison 2 Democratic senators and 40+ Democratic reps as long as you get yours.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago

The "vote blue no matter who" people were just "blue MAGA" folks trying to justify their support of genocide and those senators and reps along with the DNC leadership are now happily sitting on their asses while Trump's power goes unchecked, so who cares whether they keep their titles? It's not as if they're actually using their positions to fight back. They're just acting as controlled opposition.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I had to escape the vile south to get away from violent racist monsters.

Shit happens.

[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Yarvin’s technobrocratic dystopia will have a bunch of these little states run by CEOs, and you wouldn’t have any voice in how it’s run, but you would be free to leave. Is that what you want?

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

“Sell your home and leave your jobs and maybe it’ll work out” doesn’t fly as well as you think.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I did.

I'm brown and fled the south as soon as I could.

Best decision I ever made.

Fucking worthless inbred filth need a wall to contain their damage, let them deal with each other.